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Message: [QUOTE="caw, post: 197669, member: 1764"] I'm grasping at straws, this will be fun. My lord you should look things up or tell ESPN/Yahoo/Wiki they are wrong. Name the 3, #1's that Cuse beat in 2003? I bet you can't. I was just assuming you knew your team's run when it was stated they beat three #1's. All kidding aside. Yes, of course they [U]could have been[/U] in other years, but UK in 2011 could have been an elite team in another year also, perhaps Arizona as well, who knows maybe even Butler. I think I was pretty clear that [U][B]by seeding[/B][/U] Cuse had a harder road to the NC in 2003. I am suggesting that seeding isn't a good way to compare roads to the NC. You asked, "Are you suggesting a 5, 4, 8[U][B] might have been[/B][/U] better than 3 1's?". Correct? This was your question? The question wasn't, "Are you suggesting the 5, 4, 8 UConn beat in 2011 were better than 3 1's Cuse beat in 2003?" Because I answered the first question quite clearly. The 5, 4 and 8 [B][U]were[/U][/B] (not might have been) better than 3 1's - in 2011. They beat 3 #1's and proved it (each beat 1 #1, they also took out 2 #2's). If you are asking the second question, I am stating that it is an impossible feat to try and compare the two but it is in the realm of possibility that the 5, 4 and 8 were better than the 3 #1's. I never said it was highly probable just possible and by trying to compare them solely based on seeding in their respective seasons was a fallacy of an argument. Of course it's probably silly to think a 29-4 team would be 17-14 in another year...but look at it closer to this; could that 29-4 Texas team lost another 3-4 or even 5 games and been a 4-6 seed in another season? [B]BTW you really need to look things up.[/B] Why would you not look up the record? Surely not because you were making reductio ad absurdum argument based on false and misleading information. Texas was let's see ummm...26-7, Kansas was 30-8 and Oklahoma was 27-7. Ohh opps. For reference, the 5th seed (Arizona) in 2011 was 30-8, the 4 seed was 29-9 and the 8 seed was 28-10. So in another season could those teams (perhaps not Butler due to conference) have been 1 or 2 seeds? Or maybe have slipped and been 8-12 seeds? Just for fun, the teams UConn beat had 4 more wins and 5 more losses even though they were seeded completely differently. I'm grasping? :rolleyes: Look at teams that have won college titles, most have 3+ NBA players (maybe not good NBA players, but NBA players). Besides that was the least part of my argument and really just an afterthought more than anything else. It is however true that the NBA talent on those teams was not high. [/QUOTE]

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