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Message: [QUOTE="Scooch, post: 5488292, member: 628"] And I’m suggesting that the implication, by some, that Belicheck isn’t a great coach because of his non-Brady record is silly. Context matters. He took over a lousy Browns franchise and had them winning playoff games in year 4, at a time when turning around a team was a lot harder than it is today. If Modell hadn’t sabotaged the franchise with the move announcement it’s likely he turns that overall record positive in year 5. His first 3 titles in Foxboro were far more about defense and the running game than Brady being an all timer. That’s not to say Brady wasn’t a critical piece, he was, but not the way he was in the 2014 to 2018 run. What is legitimate criticism is his post-Brady record in New England. His rebuilding plan was poor and his drafting was awful. [/QUOTE]