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Message: [QUOTE="Fly Rodder, post: 5659704, member: 2133"] I remember some discussion here justifying Red sticking around since there were future HOF coaches who struggled in their first few years and didn't get fired and then went on to amazing careers - like Coach K. He sucked at Duke and didn't exactly kill it at Army before that. Then, it clicked and he built a juggernaut. So, that said, besides it being a different era, K was also just 33 when he took the Duke job. Red was 51 when they hired him and he had basically zero head coaching experience. Just an apples and oranges comparison. I think SU was hoping Red would be Tommy Lloyd, another older long time asst, but instead ended up with Lloyd Christmas. [/QUOTE]