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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 2650358, member: 40"] Good grief. Look, I think that Zach Smith is reprehensible. But if you don't think that the difference between what was known in 2009 and what is know today, after EXTENSIVE disclosure about events that would typically not be made public constitutes a difference in how things should have been handled, then I don't know what to tell you. In 2009, something clearly went down that should have been a red flag. Like you, I am inclined to side with Courtney Smith's version of events -- although I qualify that slightly by acknowledging that in he said / she said incidents, that the truth is often somewhere in the middle. Please note that I am not condoning what he did, just pointing out that a situation where charges weren't filed might make a "boss" more inclined to not take drastic action. Again, please note that this is not in any way an endorsement of Smith's abominable actions. Meyer's lawyer discussing outcomes with her at that punctuated point in time can certainly be construed as intimidating, but it might also be viewed as calmer heads looking to prevail upon a situation that looked differently back then, that doesn't look the same as it does now -- after a full decade of abuse. And with apologies, I DO think that there is a difference between how domestic violence is viewed in contemporary society versus how it was viewed 5 or 10 years ago. Right, wrong, or indifferent -- we're in a different climate today than we were before. I apologize if my examples didn't resonate with you. In truth, many of the people that I referenced in my earlier post dug their way out of holes. Others did not. I'm happy that blatant domestic violence was never an issue that I had to deal with as a manager. I also think that Urban Meyer is a scumbag, given his track record at both Utah and UF, prior to his tenure at OSU. I readily acknowledge that the groundswell of evidence might eventually do him in. But I do think you are misrepresenting my position with respect to what happened in 2009. I'm not sure that Meyer had full information [based upon what's been reported] about how abusive Smith was, nor do I think that there was evidence that this pattern of abuse would continue. So when he took the steps that he took in 2009, I don't believe that he should be crucified for the response. Information that came out today suggested that he followed university protocol in 2015 -- he'll ultimately be judged by whether those actions were insufficient or appropriate, and therein lies the crux of this situation. The examples I provided were to show that for first offenses, it is often prudent not to overreact. You don't shi-can people over he said / she said incidents, especially when full information is not revealed. After numerous examples of the behavior continuing? Well, unlike what you concluded -- you and I aren't misaligned. And in the big scheme of things -- I'd like to point out again that there isn't a bigger poster on this forum with more animus toward Ohio State than me. I'd love to see him go down for this. I just believe that it isn't as cut and dry as some would like to pretend -- nor that his actions in the past were inappropriate., given the information he might have had at hand. Today, right now, we all have access to an incredible amount of information that provides an unsavory sneak peek behind the curtain into a family's life. How often do people have access to such data? How often is a full accounting of private family information made public like this situation has been made? I don't think it's unreasonable to question how much of this Meyer really knew / understood, before it spiraled out of control. [/QUOTE]

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