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Message: [QUOTE="elimunelson, post: 1814800, member: 615"] I actually believe if he came we end up in the ACC in 2005. That set of events to me would have been something we all can reasonably assume would have happened. Regarding P, who knows. I think the school, with the infusion of the immediate ACC cash, would have invested in the football team at that point and then who knows what happens when P finally hangs it up. He may have been our Beamer and stuck around till this past year if he continued to crank out 8 win seasons on the back of a Vick run. Hard to tell but we would have been in MUCH better position. [/QUOTE]