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Come on. Somebody has to know something.
Come on. Somebody has to know something.
Virginia isn’t as good as Maryland. Syracuse is going to win by five.Come on. Somebody has to know something.
Two other quick points.
Transition and loose ball D has to be a lot better this week. SU defensively in 6 on 6 played I thought very well but in transition and when it became hectic we gave up multiple goals. Also to many instances of a key guy being left alone ie Wisnauskas, that can't happen again with Shellenberger or Cormier.
Second I thought the wing play on Sunday was atrocious (correct me if I am wrong IT). Seemed like every scrum Maryland ended up with the ball. and they looked considerably quicker. Wing play HAS to be better
This is such a tough game to call. Cuse arguably played their best 2 games against UVA last year firing on all cylinders with offense, defense, Phaup and Porter looking good. I also think UVA looked a bit flat against Cuse last year and certainly not close to the dominating team they were by the end of the season.Virginia isn’t as good as Maryland. Syracuse is going to win by five.
Cuse by 4“Cuse all in” calling it a 5 goal game?? Are you really all in? Cuse by 2.
One thing when cuse plays uva that I’ve noticed last year and the year before is that cuse tends to feed off of uvas pace of play. They tend to play much faster in these games which has been awesome. I felt they were slowing the ball down way too much last week.
If these things happen, we will win
1. Curry needs big game
2. Bench cook.
3. better game from berkman, he got his first big game jitters out, play more freely this weekend.
4. Hope Moore is out
5. Limit shellenberger to 4 points
Cuse by 2.
'cuse by 7 or 8.Cuse by 4
What you just said is the one of most insanely idiotic things ive ever heard. At no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no likes and may God have mercy on your soul.'cuse by 7 or 8.
Tough to get a read on either team this early in the season but I have a few general thoughts and musings.
From a UVA standpoint the only close game so far was the High Point where they won by 1. Moore got hurt that game and they played uneven but still pulled it out. They have good to elite talent at pretty much every position but are dealing with injuries to Moore, Conner and their starting at LSM. Unclear if any will be back for Saturday but if all three are out again that is huge for SU. Obviously Hiltz remains out for us and were still working back a few guys but hopefully we will have just about everyone back for Sat.
UVA without Moore means everything runs through Shellenberger which isn't exactly great news but with Moore potentially out they lose a second elite dodger. SU did a decent job on him last year and I suspect Kennedy will draw this matchup as he has the speed to match up. Shellenberger is far and away the teams leading assist man so SU will need to be slow to slide or risk issues with slides. Assuming Coccamo is still out the other matchups would seem to be Murphy on Dickson and Fraterrigo on Cormier. If Conner is still out then the LSM matchup is a bit tricky. Do you pole Schutz from go or do you short him first and make him prove he can beat shorty. Interesting dilemma for sure. If I had to guess I would think SU will pole Schutz and take their luck with backup Jack Simmons who I believe was bumped up to the 1st line. Garno and our old friend Zinn are apart of a mix and match second line that can score but isn't exactly what I would say is a potent 2nd mid line. Tough ask for SU's defense but SU does matchup better with UVA then Duke or ND as UVA is more of an ISO team versus a great ball movement team like Maryland. They can certainly do it but their preference is to beat you one on one and when you attempt to counter then they pick you apart. If you can limit them one on one and force them to pass to score, you've got a chance.
From an SU offensive standpoint lots of questions but not a ton of answers. Offense wasn't terrible against Maryland but to many turnovers, to much sloppy play and an inability for most to draw a slide. I get the Curry playing some attack decision but he prefers to start from up top and as Powell noted seem to be worn out by the 4th quarter. He also runs hot and cold and you could tell early on Sunday he didn't have it accuracy wise. SU would be better off palying him at midfield and letting him run 2 out of every 3 shifts or something similar. Loss of Hiltz was glaring last week, SU just didn't have the horses at attack. Seebold was completely shutdown and Berkman was overwhelmed which wasn't surprising giving his lack of PT and the opponent. I would like to see more of Birtwistle this week as he looked good in the limited time he saw and he can play attack in a rotation with Berkman. Attack needs to be more of a factor beyond Dordevic. As I noted I am not a huge fan of Curry at attack if were going to do that id rather see Corsi or Birtwistle.
UVA will likely be missing their top LSM and obviously Connors has graduated. UVA has a very good close D unit with Matsui and Saustad but can be beaten through the midfield as there SSDMs while not bad aren't an elite unit. Quinn will again be big here as Curry will obviously draw the pole (assuming he plays mostly midfield). The Cook 1st line experiment should be on a very short leash. He did some good things on Sunday but he remains a non-factor scoring wise and still looks a bit lost at Midfield. I have no idea what he's doing pre-season versus now but obviously it's not carrying over. Buttermore didn't make much of an impact in his first game back but its going to take some time to dust the rust off. I think we likely see more of either Corsi and or Fiorini this game especially if the initial lines are struggling to make an impact. May take some time but SU has the players to build two really good mid lines with high quality depth but it may take to later in teh year for it to come together which hopefully will not be to late.
Teams seem about even at goalie and the X, both start essentially a Frosh in the Cage and proven Seniors at the dot. Phaup did own LaSalla last year but not sure you can count on a repeat. One think SU needs to do is build in some draws for Savage who I assume is the #2. Asking Phaup to take all the draws against elite opponents is not a recipe for long term success, he has to get a blow on 3-4 draws a game. UVA has started giving more to their true frosh FOGO Braun who has pretty good numbers. I know SU may not be sky high on Savage or Fine but until they can hit the portal in the off-season (they will almost certainly bring in another FOGO) they have to get someone else up to speed.
Interesting game to say the least, lots of intriguign matchups and storylines. If SU can get a better offensive performance I think they can win especially if UVA is again missing three starters. I need to see the SU offense improve though as a repeat of last week definitely will not get it done. This is probably the second of the house money games but you'd like to salvage a split and avoid a potential 1-3 start if a veteran Army team is to much for SU next Wed.
They played Wisnauskas too much like a dodger at certain points. It was bizarre.Good stuff Jeremy. I think since Murphy guarded Wisnauskus he will probably guard the similarly skilled Cormier. I don't think Murphy did a super job in the Maryland game as he seemed to hedge too much of the time and gave the big lefty too many open shots. He'll have to stick closer to his man. I think he's better as an on-ball defender than he his off-ball as I don't think he trusts shorties very much. I thought Fraterrigo did a good job on Malever, holding him scoreless, but as others point out Maltz came in and dropped a goal and an assist in the fourth quarter. He'll have to do much better, especially if Moore is in.
Orange will have to do much better at avoiding penalties as well - two jittery infractions is no way to start a game against anyone. They finished 2-4 on the man down which isn't terrible but also not great. I still don't understand putting Staats in the middle of the formation with a short stick, seems like he's given up at least two doorstep goals so far this year.
They played Wisnauskas too much like a dodger at certain points. It was bizarre.
Totally agree on both of these points. Settled 6v6 was pretty good but any unsettled situations seemed like a goal or at least a high quality opportunity. One thing I noticed 4-5 times but particularly in the first half was unsettled situations through substitutions. Phaup got caught a few times coming off the field slowly and gave the MD O-middie coming from midfield an 8-10 yard head start.Two other quick points.
Transition and loose ball D has to be a lot better this week. SU defensively in 6 on 6 played I thought very well but in transition and when it became hectic we gave up multiple goals. Also to many instances of a key guy being left alone ie Wisnauskas, that can't happen again with Shellenberger or Cormier.
Second I thought the wing play on Sunday was atrocious (correct me if I am wrong IT). Seemed like every scrum Maryland ended up with the ball. and they looked considerably quicker. Wing play HAS to be better
You make a good point about Wisnauskas. To me, economy of movement, patience and poise are the assets he uses to find scoring positions close to the goal. Also, he's a strong fine athlete. I saw him play a football game at quarterback in high school. He reminded of the way Tom Brady moves in the pocket. Not fast, not quick, but brilliant small moves away from pressure distinguished him on the football field like they do on the lacrosse field. Those in addition to superb accuracy make him one of the best.Wisnauskas is lanky and moves a bit awkwardly which I think contributes to the perception that he's not a dodger and while not to the level of a Shellenberger or Bernhardt he can still beat his man. As evidenced by the goal where he cut through the center of the Cuse defense by like three guys for a goal. Good players find ways to get their points.
I would expect to see Kennedy on Shellenberger as he's really the only Orange defenseman who has a prayer of matching feet with that kid. Whether or not Moore plays could be a big deal. It took the Hoos a half to figure out what they wanted to do against Towson without him out there...might take longer against Syracuse if he remains out.
The only reason Wisnauskas got open for that in the first place was Kennedy stupidly going for an over the head check. That doesn’t work on anyone these days so why he would try that on a player of Wisnauskas caliber I have no idea. Think he has the footspeed to stay with almost anyone but sometimes takes way to aggressive an approach. Wisnauskas did nothing else off the dodge the whole game, but he didn’t really need to.Wisnauskas is lanky and moves a bit awkwardly which I think contributes to the perception that he's not a dodger and while not to the level of a Shellenberger or Bernhardt he can still beat his man. As evidenced by the goal where he cut through the center of the Cuse defense by like three guys for a goal. Good players find ways to get their points.
I would expect to see Kennedy on Shellenberger as he's really the only Orange defenseman who has a prayer of matching feet with that kid. Whether or not Moore plays could be a big deal. It took the Hoos a half to figure out what they wanted to do against Towson without him out there...might take longer against Syracuse if he remains out.
I really am all in! I just want to make the point that if we lose to UVA, but we play well and are competitive, then I feel good about the direction Gait is taking the team. I was surprised and impressed that we kept it close with Maryland in what is supposed to be a rebuilding year for Cuse. And without Owen Hiltz!“Cuse all in” calling it a 5 goal game?? Are you really all in? Cuse by 2.
One thing when cuse plays uva that I’ve noticed last year and the year before is that cuse tends to feed off of uvas pace of play. They tend to play much faster in these games which has been awesome. I felt they were slowing the ball down way too much last week.
If these things happen, we will win
1. Curry needs big game
2. Bench cook.
3. better game from berkman, he got his first big game jitters out, play more freely this weekend.
4. Hope Moore is out
5. Limit shellenberger to 4 points
Cuse by 2.
Good lawd. Really shouldnt have to be explained, he's sprints off his man to pick up a deadly open shooter without having the split second of breaking down. Winny moves and that is the followup attempt from behind. You see same when defenders run out to open three pt shootersThe only reason Wisnauskas got open for that in the first place was Kennedy stupidly going for an over the head check. That doesn’t work on anyone these days so why he would try that on a player of Wisnauskas caliber I have no idea. Think he has the footspeed to stay with almost anyone but sometimes takes way to aggressive an approach. Wisnauskas did nothing else off the dodge the whole game, but he didn’t really need to.