Warchant update on FSU Board of Trustees discussion of realignment

[sufan]

1) Warchant update:

link doesn't work: free article on Warchant "football message board": (rivals)

http://floridastate.**********/content.asp?CID=1373301

"Barron said Thursday that the university continues to investigate the situation and also assured the trustees that the ACC would not be left out of any four-team football playoff model ...

President Barron was very thoughtful and deliberate and asked us to be very thoughtful and deliberate about what's going on in respect to conferences," trustee Allan Bense told Warchant.com. "It was a good analysis, a lot of it is still a moving target but I think we need what President Barron said, just gather all of the facts and make sure that we are doing our due diligence and so on."

"Florida State Board of Trustees chairman Andy Haggardmaintained that there is no formal contact between Florida State and the Big 12 Conference, saying Barron's decision to speak on realignment Thursday was due to the board "needing to be advised" on where the university stood on the subject. But Haggard also said it is possible that the board could give Barron the power to make any conference alignment decision in the future. Haggard does not expect that motion to be made during the BOT's general meeting on Friday morning.

Haggard and Bense also said that there is no current plan for the university to form any kind of formal fact-finding realignment committee.

But the discussion rolls on, and so did varying opinions offered"


2) Another interesting free article on Warchant:

"Top questions Florida State will need to have addressed from the Big 12":

http://floridastate.**********/content.asp?CID=1367788

 

[rrlbees]

SOMEBODY has to be left out of a 4 team model.

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[riskylogic]

SOMEBODY has to be left out of a 4 team model.

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Sure, like last year everyone but the SEC got left out of the two team model. Which was really, really boring. The four team model would be less boring, but still...

Because of the additional flexibility it would provide, eight teams would be sooo much better. You could have 4-6 AQs from conference championships, and still have spots for well qualified conference championship losers, 2nd place divisional finishers, and mid-majors.​

 

[orange79]

If they go to the 3 plus 1, no one would technically be left out. Technically.

 

[orangenirvana]

SOMEBODY has to be left out of a 4 team model.

That's what rankings are for. Choose the best four teams out of the five major conference champions every year.

 

[Jake]

Sounds like FSU is gone to me.

 

[Chip]

SOMEBODY has to be left out of a 4 team model.

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SEC and one other (PAC-12?) are pushing for four best teams regardless of conference.

The conference champion model says if all conference champions are in the top 6, then the 4 highest ranked conference champions go. Any conference champion outside the top 6 is excluded for a potential at large.

Neither excludes a 5th (or even 6th) conference if they qualify.

If FSU is undefeated as an ACC team they would be in the final 4 under either scenario. Odds of 4 higher ranked conf champs are slim to none.

 

[Chip]

Sounds like FSU is gone to me.

Sounds to me like FSU's president is the one smart guy in the room that I mentioned yesterday. The one that's actually looking at the due diligence and the one who is providing the reality check. Will he have enough power to fight the others off?

 

[rrlbees]

That's what rankings are for. Choose the best four teams out of the five major conference champions every year.

that is what the acc fears. rarely would they have a top 4 team. zero chance if someone isn't undefeated.

 

[rrlbees]

Sounds to me like FSU's president is the one smart guy in the room that I mentioned yesterday. The one that's actually looking at the due diligence and the one who is providing the reality check. Will he have enough power to fight the others off?

fight who off? not aimed at you but in general, most of this board first said there were zero discussions and then moved on to there was zero interest. so who does the prez need to fight off? wvdude?

 

[orange79]

fight who off? not aimed at you but in general, most of this board first said there were zero discussions and then moved on to there was zero interest. so who does the prez need to fight off? wvdude?

I assume he meant the BOT, if Haggard is any example of their desires.

 

[rrlbees]

I assume he meant the BOT, if Haggard is any example of their desires.

So the FSU BOT has an interest/desire to move?

 

[All4SU]

That's what rankings are for. Choose the best four teams out of the five major conference champions every year.

Why doesn't the NFL just take its best 8 or so teams, and not worry about divisions or AFC vs. NFC? Simple: They know that to maintain fan interest and excitement across the board, they have to have divisions and rivalries (Conferences, if you will) that pare down to allow representation, and for teams to get hot down the stretch. Would the Giants have been one of the top 4 in the NFL before the playoffs last year? Just taking an arbitrary top 4 is a death knell for college football.

 

[Chip]

fight who off? not aimed at you but in general, most of this board first said there were zero discussions and then moved on to there was zero interest. so who does the prez need to fight off? wvdude?

I can't speak for most of the board, but I am sure there are plenty of people associated with FSU and Clemson who want to explore this. Expansion fever is infectious. An FSU BOT member has even sounded off in public about it (albeit inaccurately, which he admitted, but what does that matter once it's out there?).

FSU and Clemson fans seem to have caught the fever as well.

But I still think it's a risky move with plenty of downside. I mean what power program rushes off to join a conference that 33% of its original members (at least 2 power programs) couldn't flee from quicker? FSU can fix all of the ACC's perceived strength problems by meeting expectations on the field this year.

I think FSU and Clemson would one day regret running away from the problems that they basically created.

 

[All4SU]

I think FSU and Clemson simply want to be perceived as being desirable.

 

[PhatOrange]

Sounds to me like FSU's president is the one smart guy in the room that I mentioned yesterday. The one that's actually looking at the due diligence and the one who is providing the reality check. Will he have enough power to fight the others off?

Agreed - that was exactly my take as well.

 

[orangenirvana]

Why doesn't the NFL just take its best 8 or so teams, and not worry about divisions or AFC vs. NFC? Simple: They know that to maintain fan interest and excitement across the board, they have to have divisions and rivalries (Conferences, if you will) that pare down to allow representation, and for teams to get hot down the stretch. Would the Giants have been one of the top 4 in the NFL before the playoffs last year? Just taking an arbitrary top 4 is a death knell for college football.

I said the top four conference champions, not the top four ranked teams.

 

[Faegan]

that is what the acc fears. rarely would they have a top 4 team. zero chance if someone isn't undefeated.

That is true of the last several years for sure. However, it's easy to imagine Florida State and Miami in there given how they are able to recruit. At least as regularly as Texas and Oklahoma. That's what I don't get. Yes, you'll probably get more money in the near term, but you're diluting your own importance by moving to a conference with Texas, and to a much smaller extent Oklahoma.

 

[Moontan]

If they go to the 3 plus 1, no one would technically be left out. Technically.

Actually, nobody would be left out.

The 3 highest ranked conference champions (ranked in the top-X, where X could be 6, 8, whatever), complemented with the highest ranked team(s) to make 4. If the MAC champion is ranked #2 it should be in the "playoff".

Without guaranteed BCS-like payouts ($17-18m per BCS conference) for conferences that don't make the "playoff", some programs could take another hit in the pocketbook. I suspect each program in a current BCS conference likely gets on the order of $1m per year, just due to that tie-in. It's possible that conferences can make some of that up by organizing their own bowl games.

 

[HtownOrange]

Sounds like FSU is gone to me.

Take a look at the facts, not the dreams posted via WVU fans. Travel will increase nearly $2.5MM alone, cost to buy into the Big 12 will be about 1 year's payout (spread out over three years) and the ACC buyout of $20-$25MM. FSU already has a 3T deal worth $6.5MM, not getting more there. To start off with they are nearly $50MM in the hole, over 10 years, nearly $75MM. Being VERY, VERY generous we will assume a $5MM increase, this would take 15 years to break even. Realistically, they will net $0 - $3MM due to expenses, lost revenue, etc.

This does not factor in lost ticket sales (UT will pack the house, but they would replace Miami), OU probably is a winner as is WVU (close enough to bring fans), and this assumes that FSU gets in the same division as UT and OU. The remainder of the Big 12 is a loss, nobody cares about ISU, KSU, Kansas, TTech, Baylor, OSU, TCU. They weill not be bringing 5,000 fans, either.

 

[orange79]

So the FSU BOT has an interest/desire to move?

I don't know if anyone knows that. I am only surmising that from the venom with which Haggard originally lashed out at the new ESPN contract, that's all.