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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 3260457, member: 1969"] Not unprecedented for that to happen. Virginia went 11-7 in the ACC (.611) in 2013 and missed the tournament. Even won at Wisconsin who was a tourney team, although not much else. And they only loss 3 games in OOC. But what hurt them was they had 2 bad losses in OOC play, including a historically bad loss for a bubble team -- a loss to Old Dominion at home who ended up at 5-25 (Quaf 4 Loss). IIRC, they may have been the last team out. What helps us, is that despite the extra losses, we don;t have a terrible OOC loss. That all being said 12-8 is walking that unknown line as of now. Depends on the mix if we only get 12. Not saying it won't work, but not giving it a high confidence level either. [/QUOTE]