We are in the wrong division for Football

[orangepassion]

If this is the best that the coastal division has, I'll take this over FSU and Clemson every year.

 

[kirbivore]

Go Heels!

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Stephen Morris is really hurting Miami tonight. His last interception was baffling, ESPN even went back to show that he had no pressure in the pocket, why roll out?

I'm also hoping we get North/South divisions with a 9 game conference schedule eventually.

BC
UofL
Miami
Pitt
'Cuse
UVA
VT

Clemson
Duke
FSU
GT
UNC
NCSU
WF

 

[SU2NASA]

If this is the best that the coastal division has, I'll take this over FSU and Clemson every year.

I would have much rather been in the other division to start if only to renew playing Miami and VT.

 

[chakka3421]

No way we are in the right one. The year we beat both Clemson and FSU and win out is the day we play for a possible NC. If we can't do that then we don't deserve anything better. Playing in a weaker division reminds me of the old BE conference - I never want to go back to that. You will never know how good you really are just like you do now.

However, going to a 9 game conference schedule solves a lot of these issues - 6 division games, 1 crossover and rotate 2 in other division so you play all the teams much more often. Must happen to equalize everything better.

 

[orangepassion]

Other division is also much better for recruiting territory playing in Miami, Virginia and Georgia every year.

 

[SaltineWar]

I would have much rather been in the other division to start if only to renew playing Miami and VT.

Agreed. We should have had first pick of division, considering that by all accounts we were far and away the ACC's first choice and Pitt was an afterthought.

Although, considering how these lunatics in the athletic department love impossible schedules, maybe they wanted Clemson and FSU every year.

 

[weakstraw]

Just wait, we lose Maryland to just get Lville. Our division is by far the toughest.

 

[CU44SE]

We wont go to 9 conference games until/when ND joins the conference. And hopefully, with ND on board, Texas would follow suit and BAM you have the best conference in the land.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

Stephen Morris is really hurting Miami tonight. His last interception was baffling, ESPN even went back to show that he had no pressure in the pocket, why roll out?

I'm also hoping we get North/South divisions with a 9 game conference schedule eventually.

BC
UofL
Miami
Pitt
'Cuse
UVA
VT

Clemson
Duke
FSU
GT
UNC
NCSU
WF

Problem here is, with Wake & Duke you have the two weakest football programs -- by a country mile - in the "South."

Sure, Duke is okay right now and Wake actually went to a BCS Bowl a few years ago, but based on the last 50+ years they are, far and away, the weakest two ACC programs.

That is in terms of fan support, money allocated to the program itself and wins on the field.

And though NC St. and UNC both have "potential" to be great, nothing they've done on the field in the last three decades says they will be.Yes, they have great fans and sure, they spend money to win... They just don't win all that often.

Right there you've got arguably 4 of the 5 or 6 weakest ACC programs all in the "South", all but guaranteeing Clemson, FSU & GTech the top 3 spots in their division for most seasons.

 

[Phillymoose]

Stephen Morris is really hurting Miami tonight. His last interception was baffling, ESPN even went back to show that he had no pressure in the pocket, why roll out?

I'm also hoping we get North/South divisions with a 9 game conference schedule eventually.

BC
UofL
Miami
Pitt
'Cuse
UVA
VT

Clemson
Duke
FSU
GT
UNC
NCSU
WF

I can't see UVA wanting to play in the Big East.

 

[Alsacs]

If this is the best that the coastal division has, I'll take this over FSU and Clemson every year.

You give no respect to UNC's atmosphere and playing up to their competition. Miami is a legitimate top 20 team and won a tough game in Chapel Hill a place they had only 1 time before. Please stop with this crap its why the SEC gets credit when their shitty teams Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Vandy play a higher ranked team at home and almost beat them. Virginia Tech and Miami are both good teams. Do I wish we were in the Coastal vs the Atlantic hell yes, but we get to play FSU and Clemson each year. Virginia has two of the top 10 recruits in the country committed, VPI always play good defense, Miami has a top 5 recruiting class and Al Golden, North Carolina is committing to football more and more. I agree the Atlantic is tougher, but to be the best you have to beat the best.

 

[Alsacs]

Stephen Morris is really hurting Miami tonight. His last interception was baffling, ESPN even went back to show that he had no pressure in the pocket, why roll out?

I'm also hoping we get North/South divisions with a 9 game conference schedule eventually.

BC
UofL
Miami
Pitt
'Cuse
UVA
VT

Clemson
Duke
FSU
GT
UNC
NCSU
WF

North/South will never happen. UVA isn't going to agree to playing a Big East schedule. Always remember UVA-UNC have to play each and every year. UVA-UNC is the 3rd oldest game and will become number 1 in 4 years because Nebraska-Kansas, Missouri-Kansas won't be playing anymore.
My suggestion is a pure zipper format divide divisions with zipper rivals and keep historic rivalries.
Boston College-Syracuse
Louisville-Pittsburgh
Clemson-Georgia Tech
Miami-Florida State
Duke-Wake Forest
North Carolina-NC State
Virginia-Virginia Tech

I would do
Division 1
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Wake Forest
North Carolina State
Louisville
Virginia Tech

Division 2
Miami
Clemson
Syracuse
Duke
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia

 

[Scooch]

I suspect that Gross preferred the Atlantic because it originally enabled us to maintain three annual northeast games: BC, Maryland, and Pitt as our permanent division cross-over. Would have kept us in front of two big alumni bases (Boston, D.C. metro) every other year.

If the trade-off was having the most northeastern opponents possible vs. having our premium opponents be FSU and Clemson instead of returning to Miami and VaTech, I think that's defensible. Obviously that calculus changed when Maryland bolted.

The Coastal would have had the advantage of renewing those great series with Miami/VaTech and facilitating easier/more attractive trips (in terms of location) to UNC, UVA and GaTech as opposed to NC State, Wake and Louisville. But what can you do, I'll take the Atlantic 1,000,000X + infinity over the AAC.

 

[orangepassion]

You give no respect to UNC's atmosphere and playing up to their competition. Miami is a legitimate top 20 team and won a tough game in Chapel Hill a place they had only 1 time before. Please stop with this crap its why the SEC gets credit when their shitty teams Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Vandy play a higher ranked team at home and almost beat them. Virginia Tech and Miami are both good teams. Do I wish we were in the Coastal vs the Atlantic hell yes, but we get to play FSU and Clemson each year. Virginia has two of the top 10 recruits in the country committed, VPI always play good defense, Miami has a top 5 recruiting class and Al Golden, North Carolina is committing to football more and more. I agree the Atlantic is tougher, but to be the best you have to beat the best.

I'm not saying the Coastal is terrible, but it is not nearly as difficult as the Atlantic, which will get even more difficult when Louisville comes in. I'd fel much better about knocking VT or Miami than FSU or Clemson. As mentioned above, they're also better recruiting areas.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm not saying the Coastal is terrible, but it is not nearly as difficult as the Atlantic, which will get even more difficult when Louisville comes in. I'd fel much better about knocking VT or Miami than FSU or Clemson. As mentioned above, they're also better recruiting areas.

Your 100% about this, but I like playing FSU/Clemson each year even though it makes it hard to win the division. Its like Vandy in the SEC East which can't compete with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee each year in the SEC East.

 

[All4SU]

Swap Louisville for Georgia Tech, and we are good.

 

[BlazeOrange]

Pod system once we reach 16:

Pod 1 Pod 2 Pod 3 Pod 4
ND -- Clem -- UNC -- New Team
SU -- Duke -- VPI -- GT
Pitt -- Wake -- UVa -- Louisville
BC -- Mia -- NC ST -- FSU

Pods are vertical, designated cross-pod rivals are horizontal
Two pods form a division each season, pairings rotate each year
Play your division (7 games) plus your two non-divisional cross-pod rivals for 9 conference games

Notes:
Pods are more or less regional
Cross-pods have as much a mix of top/mid/low tiered teams as possible
Assume the new team will be ND's rival since they will basically pick who it is
FSU and Mia in separate pods to allow them to be in different divisions 2 out of 3 years
I wanted to make Catholics vs Convicts a cross-pod game, but couldn't do it and keep Mia-FSU game

 

[Shermthegeneral]

We wont go to 9 conference games until/when ND joins the conference. And hopefully, with ND on board, Texas would follow suit and BAM you have the best conference in the land.

Can you explain why a team from the southwest is a good fit for an eastern league? I honestly want the best BB conference in the land and a football conference that is good enough to land top level recruits but one that is t so good that we are always middle of the pack.

 

[All4SU]

Pod system once we reach 16:

Pod 1 Pod 2 Pod 3 Pod 4
ND -- Clem -- UNC -- New Team
SU -- Duke -- VPI -- GT
Pitt -- Wake -- UVa -- Louisville
BC -- Mia -- NC ST -- FSU

Pods are vertical, designated cross-pod rivals are horizontal
Two pods form a division each season, pairings rotate each year
Play your division (7 games) plus your two non-divisional cross-pod rivals for 9 conference games

Notes:
Pods are more or less regional
Cross-pods have as much a mix of top/mid/low tiered teams as possible
Assume the new team will be ND's rival since they will basically pick who it is
FSU and Mia in separate pods to allow them to be in different divisions 2 out of 3 years
I wanted to make Catholics vs Convicts a cross-pod game, but couldn't do it and keep Mia-FSU game

So we play ND, Pitt, BC, Duke, VPI and Gt? Six? Who are the other three?

 

[Chip]

These things are cyclical. But yes, in year 1, the Coastal would have been a better fit for success. They have 3 of the bottom 5 teams (UNC, Duke, UVA). And while I wouldn't make any predictions that we'd win it, I'd more comfortably predict that we wouldn't have two 35+ point auto losses.

Miami or VT in the Dome would have been a closer game than Clemson in the Dome. I don't think we beat either of them, but I don't think you are terrified by the halftime score either. I'm not sure if VT is capable of scoring 49 against a HS JV team in 2 combined games.

 

[BlazeOrange]

So we play ND, Pitt, BC, Duke, VPI and Gt? Six? Who are the other three?

We'd play the rest of one of the other Pods:

Year 1: Pod 1 and Pod 2 form a division, champion plays winner of the Pod 3/Pod 4 division (add Clemson/Wake/Mia to SU's base schedule of Pod partners and designated rivals)

Year 2: Pod 1 and Pod 3 form a division, champion plays winner of the Pod 2/Pod 4 division (add UNC/UVa/NC St to SU's base schedule)

Year 3: Pod 1 and Pod 4 form a division, champion plays winner of the Pod 2/Pod 3 division (add Louisville/FSU/New Team to SU's base schedule)

Year 4-6: Repeat, but reverse the home fields from years 1-3

Alternative would be to keep the divisions intact for two-year periods to allow more immediate home and homes.

 

[kirbivore]

Agreed. We should have had first pick of division, considering that by all accounts we were far and away the ACC's first choice and Pitt was an afterthought.

Although, considering how these lunatics in the athletic department love impossible schedules, maybe they wanted Clemson and FSU every year.

You're giving Frazier too much credit

 

[Crusty]

An anonymous source (sutomcat) told me that FSU really wants to be in the same division as Ga Tech. As we all know everyone wants to keep FSU happy so maybe it will happen.
Seems to make sense to me. If ND ever joins they would be in the Atlantic and we're done.