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Message: [QUOTE="OttosBestFriend, post: 779319, member: 852"] Problem here is, with Wake & Duke you have the two weakest football programs -- by a country mile - in the "South." Sure, Duke is okay right now and Wake actually went to a BCS Bowl a few years ago, but based on the last 50+ years they are, far and away, the weakest two ACC programs. That is in terms of fan support, money allocated to the program itself and wins on the field. And though NC St. and UNC both have "potential" to be great, nothing they've done on the field in the last three decades says they will be.Yes, they have great fans and sure, they spend money to win... They just don't win all that often. Right there you've got arguably 4 of the 5 or 6 weakest ACC programs all in the "South", all but guaranteeing Clemson, FSU & GTech the top 3 spots in their division for most seasons. [/QUOTE]