We often debate if the Dome has ever been sold out

[storange]

I was watching the Tenn game from 98 on YOUtube and in the Pre game the broadcaster said the tickets went on sale Aug 3rd and were gone in three days, which backs my argument that we have had multiple sell outs but sometimes tickets are returned or for whatever reason it doesn't go off as an official sell out. Also the argument that the dome is too big (capacity )...we had average att. of over 45,000 10 times from 88 through 2000. several years between 47 and 50. The dome capacity is perfect IMO if we put a reallty good team on the field. Of course thats a big IF.

 

[OrangeOnions]

44,000 will be perfect.

 

[orangenirvana]

44,000 will be perfect.

44,444 would be better.

That Tennessee game was the only sporting event I've ever attended where I literally could not hear myself screaming at the top of my lungs. I remember that happening on a few occasions during that game. It was an odd feeling - I was actually a little bit concerned.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Getting 47k per game in a 50k stadium when we are really really good is nothing to be proud about. It actually argues the opposite of what you are trying to argue. We need to be at a capacity where a consistent 8-4 SU team can come close to averaging a sell out. That would be right around 44k. Keeping an extra 5k in capacity for the few times we go 10-2 is silly.

 

[upperdeck]

the same question for bball.. say we sell 25K season tickets. anything after 22K is a marginal seat and almost any game there are 10K you can get so no need to buy seasons. you can just get a seat for almost 99% of the games, but what if we only sold 28K of seats and the last 5K were better than what we sell now. more people would have to buy seasons to get in since the last 7K would no longer exist. more demand so the school makes more money with 20 games of 5 K more seasons and not the occasional 30+K game..

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Gotta get it rocking again, just have to. Really can't take thinking about what use to be anymore, it's really to depressing. Marrone was getting close, big wins at home versus WVU and Lville. He was 2 years away, IMO.

 

[storange]

Getting 47k per game in a 50k stadium when we are really really good is nothing to be proud about. It actually argues the opposite of what you are trying to argue. We need to be at a capacity where a consistent 8-4 SU team can come close to averaging a sell out. That would be right around 44k. Keeping an extra 5k in capacity for the few times we go 10-2 is silly.

hmm, Alot of moving parts here, the dome is loud and 47,000 will be as intimidating as any place in the country, add the fact that we are not a state school with a huge natural fan base I think anything over 45 is very good.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Getting 47k per game in a 50k stadium when we are really really good is nothing to be proud about. It actually argues the opposite of what you are trying to argue. We need to be at a capacity where a consistent 8-4 SU team can come close to averaging a sell out. That would be right around 44k. Keeping an extra 5k in capacity for the few times we go 10-2 is silly.

It's really not a big deal either way. It just isn't. To be proud about? A winning program at Syracuse again, damn right those freaking crowds were FANTASTIC, some of the best I have every been part of in all of sport

 

[SUFaninNJ]

It was sold out in the Dome opener against Miami of Ohio.

 

[OttoMets]

I think SU was still selling seats from the small box office near Gate E the morning of the Tennessee game.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

hmm, Alot of moving parts here, the dome is loud and 47,000 will be as intimidating as any place in the country, add the fact that we are not a state school with a huge natural fan base I think anything over 45 is very good.

The Dome can be loud with 35k. Why have seats 45k-50k if they will rarely be used?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It's really not a big deal either way. It just isn't. To be proud about? A winning program at Syracuse again, damn right those freaking crowds were FANTASTIC, some of the best I have every been part of in all of sport

Do you think it helps recruiting when another school can say "they can't even sell out a 50k stadium?"

 

[orangeinjersey]

Do you think it helps recruiting when another school can say "they can't even sell out a 50k stadium?"

id argue 90% of fbs/fcs cant, not a big deal

 

[HRE Otto IV]

id argue 90% of fbs/fcs cant, not a big deal

90% of the P5 can get over 50k a game.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Do you think it helps recruiting when another school can say "they can't even sell out a 50k stadium?"

It also doesn't help recruiting when another school can say, "Did you hear what Syracuse did? They're shrinking their stadium so they can sell out more games." Lame.

Shrinkage is never good. Personally, I'd be ok with the reduction if the place wasn't already small to begin with. We aren't talking going from 75 down to 60.

Whatever renovation they do should at least preserve the ability to increase capacity at a later time if the demand increases.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It also doesn't help recruiting when another school can say, "Did you hear what Syracuse did? They're shrinking their stadium so they can sell out more games." Lame.

Shrinkage is never good. Personally, I'd be ok with the reduction if the place wasn't already small to begin with. We aren't talking going from 75 down to 60.

Whatever renovation they do should at least preserve the ability to increase capacity at a later time if the demand increases.

1. Other schools have done it

2. It is making the Dome better and there is limited space. Pretty easy to combat that argument. We pimped out the Dome so it cost us 5k in seating.

 

[FrancoPizza]

1. Other schools have done it

2. It is making the Dome better and there is limited space. Pretty easy to combat that argument. We pimped out the Dome so it cost us 5k in seating.

Others have done it, but I'll bet the examples you're thinking of had larger stadiums to begin with. Maybe I'm wrong - it would be good to know that we're not the smallest school to downsize.

Since we haven't seen any official details on the reno, it's hard to say if the pimping will offset the reduction.

 

[storange]

Do you think it helps recruiting when another school can say "they can't even sell out a 50k stadium?"

neither can Baylor, TCU, Miami, and several others when their losing. You don't have to have 80,000 seats to win. Multiple programs have proven that.

 

[storange]

I would like to see attendance after a couple 9-4 type years. If were still getting a couple high 40s , no need to downsize. Current state of affairs with back to back 3 and 4 wins seasons is not a great barometer.

 

[Chip]

The Dome can be loud with 35k. Why have seats 45k-50k if they will rarely be used?

I'd wait and see what Babers can do before we downsize.

We haven't taken this type of coach out to drive yet. Could be just what the people are wanting and usher in a new era.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I would like to see attendance after a couple 9-4 type years. If were still getting a couple high 40s , no need to downsize. Current state of affairs with back to back 3 and 4 wins seasons is not a great barometer.

That isn't realistic. Our schedule is too hard year in and year out. Can we have some years where we go 10-3? Sure but not consistently. Our program will fluctuate in the 5-7 to 9-4 range most years. When we are 9-4 will we need 50k? Sure. But what about the years where we are 8-5 or worse? Those years we will need at most 45k.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I'd wait and see what Babers can do before we downsize.

We haven't taken this type of coach out to drive yet. Could be just what the people are wanting and usher in a new era.

That is fair but we wouldn't be downsizing for downsizing sake. If we add club seating, more boxes, and real seating it will attract more fans and make more money all while reducing capacity. The renovation is to make the Dome better not to reduce supply.

 

[xc84]

Getting 47k per game in a 50k stadium when we are really really good is nothing to be proud about. It actually argues the opposite of what you are trying to argue. We need to be at a capacity where a consistent 8-4 SU team can come close to averaging a sell out. That would be right around 44k. Keeping an extra 5k in capacity for the few times we go 10-2 is silly.

I'd rather average 47K in a 50K stadium than 44K in a 44k stadium.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I get that we're losing seats mostly as a consequence of renovation, not as a driving factor. I just don't understand all the giddiness over losing seats - you'd think we're getting gold-plated pee troughs or something. Personally, I'm not sure it would be that expensive to install mannequins to make it look better if we're really struggling to fill the place. What about Oscar from Switz's? Let's get him tuned up -- he could occupy 2 or 3 seats at the 50 yard line where we always see silver on TV.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I'd rather average 47K in a 50K stadium than 44K in a 44k stadium.

Sure but what will it take to get that 47k? If it takes a 9-4 or better record, then that 47k will rarely happen. Unless you can guarantee 9-4 years, the choice is 44k in a 44k stadium or 45k in a 50k stadium. You are creating a false argument.