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Message: [QUOTE="OrangeMuskyFish, post: 15186, member: 261"] Perhaps my favorite part about these arguments is the hypocritical stance by the SABR fans. Bill James himself says that the main point of his work is to prove that you don't have to do things in a cookie-cutter manner and to think for yourself... but when someone chooses to utilize a more traditional outlook, SABR folk want to denounce you for not thinking like them. And by the way, Joe Morgan may be a crusty old fart who displays moments of senility, but the guy has forgotten more about baseball than you will ever know (i retract this statement if you are indeed a collegiate or pro coach of longer than a decade). [/QUOTE]