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[QUOTE="HtownOrange, post: 1372410, member: 622"]
Respectfully, using the Academies as a reference in an argument regarding relevance is like comparing apples and oranges.  1) The Academies have very high academic standards, most kids simply cannot get in.  2) The Academies are very rigid and most kids want some freedom even though they commit to a physically demanding program.  They don't have the rigid rules on how to eat, when to eat, how to march, when to march, appearance, uniforms, behaviors, manners, drill, training for other than sports, etc.  3) The Academies carry an extra commitment to serve beyond the academic years.  4) If a kid is good enough for the NFL or close enough to get a reasonable shot at it, they are more likely to take the gamble with state or private school.  The NFL window is short and fickle, any player would want to better his odds if he has a reasonable shot at the NFL.

Perhaps you might look at Duke.  They were good once, then stunk.  They are good again.  Or maybe Rutgers, they were co-champions once, stunk for 150 years and have winning record over the last several years.

tOSU stunk from the Woody Hayes era (OK, John Cooper won lots of games but beat Michigan once and won two bowls* - but they played a Rutersesque schedule) until the Vest brought them back to winning and he had to cheat to do so.  Urban Meyer won at lower levels before getting the Florida job so winning can happen.
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