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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4220345, member: 5685"] I was talking UVA but if you want to use Wake they played 23 P5 teams (I won't count Oregon State since they were horrendous). There is a much greater chance of a slip up playing the ACC 12th place team than the WCC 6th place team. Where are San Fran and Wyoming's quality Ws? If they had quality Ws then you can over look their conference. They beat no one AND they played in mid majors. There is no logic in taking either school. Edit As for Wake I think beating UNC and Notre Dame, plus winning at VA Tech, at UVA, and at FSU are all better Ws than anything San Fran or Wyoming did. [/QUOTE]