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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 4220890, member: 1969"] For simplicity I defined bad loss as a Q3/Q4 Loss. The same way the committee determines a bad loss. Takes out any bias in my assessments and made it easier to count them. Allowed me to come up with a # of bad losses from the the ACC and Other conferences, to see how bad (or not bad) the ACC was. That being said I believe a loss at home to Colgate is indeed a bad loss. I looked at other autobid tourney teams around the same NET as Colgate and : Montana St went 0-1 vs P5 schools (or big east) St Peters went 0-2 losing by an average of 18 (before tourney obviously) Longwood went 0-2 losing by an average of 21 (including a loss to Georgetown) Colgate went 0-2* losing to Pitt! and St. John's Yale went 0-2 losing by an average of 29 points Basically Colgate and their closest tourney peers went 0-9 against P5 schools before the tournament. Oops, make that 1-9 when we consider Syracuse. *excluding Syracuse [/QUOTE]