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Message: [QUOTE="Eric15, post: 5419863, member: 676"] A lesson learned from the Duke lacrosse situation is to always let the facts reveal themselves completely before becoming hysterical. Obviously, all these kids have a right to due process (I assume that's still a thing in America in 2025) and if it comes to it, a fair trial. That being said, unlike Duke, there is a literal video that the DA watched that he said was absolutely horrifying. So the chances of this being a nothing-burger are pretty low. Hazing (I'm not talking having a rookie buy donuts or something, I'm talking about violence) in all forms is a joke. The idea that it somehow builds camaraderie is a myth that people tell themselves to justify how awful it was for them. [/QUOTE]