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Message: [QUOTE="Dave85, post: 1748759, member: 3946"] Maybe I'm nostalgic or delusional but when did this country degrade to the ends always justify the means? I get it, winning is everything and all that. But is winning really everything? We used to be a nation of laws and respect. Justice used to be blind. Maybe it never was and I am just delusional. During the 70s, 80s, and 90s every pre-election polled matched the results. Now the post results are dramatically different than the polling. Where does it end? When we are not a country of laws, or the rules of the game are irrelevant or unequally enforced, it makes everything and everyone less valuable in my humble and most likely irrelevant opinion. I feel like our country has lost its pride, self-esteem, the value of fair play, and the importance of following the rules. Just sad that we get slammed so bad while others doing much worse get off scot-free. [/QUOTE]