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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 898511, member: 1969"] The "I watch basketball" is good for the top 5 and better in terms of the way people want to frame rankings. The "I watch basketball" rankings start to sputter by around 7 or 8, has almost failed by #15, and is utterly useless by #20. People may able to assess some teams outside of the top 10, but they don't watch enough of every team to sort the teams properly and are unable to avoid ore-concieved biases related to conference association. And for teams in that 25-50 range (which is relevant for tourney level teams and how they are tracking) - We have no AP ranking - People have not seen enough of most teams, so "I watch basketball" is useless. "I watch basketball" folk assess these teams typically on only a few results - Teams are highly assessed by bias (conferences, prior year teams) So if you want to try to measure those teams you need to use an unbiased ranking system. What the are you going to do. [/QUOTE]