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Message: [QUOTE="dollarbill44, post: 323966, member: 686"] [B][/B] Nowhere did I say that a sport requires the ability of a defender to affect the outcome in order to be sport. That was my counter to your assertion that basketball wouldn't be a sport under my example when it is totally unrelated to the golf v bowling item. You're still applying the distinction I made between golf and bowling and applying it across all sports.[B][/B] This is pointless to me because you just want to argue so you take a specific point that was made within the context of an absurd example that you made (bowling and basketball) and expound on it so that it looks like I am making arguments that I never made. [/QUOTE]