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Message: [QUOTE="alphaorange, post: 753060, member: 305"] 1) Include what you will, the numbers will be similar if not worse 2) How many private Universities are filling 50K stadiums? How many with programs recovering from an abyss? 3) Twisting and dancing here. The beginning of the Rochester area is over an hour away. The beginning of the Rochester influence. The Southern tier is over an hour away and is struggling mightily with the economy. Utica? Really? 4) Dream on. SU is not competing with pro teams for fans. It's competing with ALL activities. 5) Right out of a PR guide. Get back to me in 10 years, minimum, because we are talking about the here and now, not what may develop. [/QUOTE]