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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 1054608, member: 40"] 8 win regular season. Bowl game APPEARANCE, win or lose. Please don't misunderstand: winning bowls is absolutely great, and a nice PR boon to the program. But losing in a bowl to a quality opponent won't constitute 2014 not being a "success" per the OP's question. Especially if we have a good season en route to getting there. For me, the key is getting to 8 wins. With the offensive talent we have returning, that would show that the program is taking the next step. [/QUOTE]