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Message: [QUOTE="ottodaorange, post: 2586167, member: 567"] My two cents. I was born and raised in Syracuse, 72 years ago this June. I went to College at SUNY Brockport and did my graduate work at SU. In HS we played football, as our last game, against White Plains, in White Plains, which was considered the border line between upstate and downstate. Everyone I went to college with from downstate agreed with this also. Now common sense dictates where you live, and not where you work, is the separation from one region to another. Therefore, if you live on one side and work on the other side, where you live determines if you are an upstate or downstate resident. (yes, I went to college with people from White Plains too.)New York City and Long Island has traditionally been what is referred to as downstate. Today, if you consider commuters, then you would have to include New Jersey, Connecticut and Miami, among others and that is just crazy! [/QUOTE]