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[QUOTE="Cadillac, post: 79702, member: 399"]
... is the dumbest, most knee-jerk, most provincial, thoughtless expression. I have always hated it with a passion.

Don't get me wrong - this is not aimed at anyone here. It's a popular colloquialism for a reason. It shore makes sense!

Last year, with the point shaving crap, how many times did you hear WHERE THERE'S SMOKE... ooooooops.

Many conditions can produce smoke without a fire ever happening. The expression may be a fallacy (and an idiot detector for you sports talk radio fans in the coming days), BUT - don't forget that by itself, smoke can still cause a lot of structural damage.

As can mindlessly repeating the phrase... where there's smoke.

(Taking a wait-and-see here. I respect the University's response. JB's quotes are very strong and straightforward. If there were conditions at the university and program level that allowed child abuse to in fact take place, I have no problem saying bye bye to everyone and starting new rivalries with Hamilton and Utica College. PSU football still should be burned down and the earth salted.)
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