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Who's Number 1? 1958-59

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1958

(This will be my last post in this series until next fall. I wanted to complete the 1950’s before the hiatus.)

1958 and 1959 were two more of the “team of the year” seasons in this era, (like 1955-56, 1961-63) where there was little controversy about who was #1 at the end of the years because the national champion ran the table and no one else with a comparable schedule did so. But I did want to discuss what happened in these years and try to deal with a mini-controversy about 1959. But there will be no poll for either of these years as there was no major controversy and we all know who this board would unanimously vote for re: 1959.

The pre-season Top ten for 1958 was Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Auburn, Mississippi, Navy, Texas Christian, Army and North Carolina. Louisiana State was not ranked and for good reason. Since being destroyed 0-35 By Oklahoma in the 1/1/50 Sugar Bowl, the Tigers had been a toothless 35-41-8. Their last winning record had been 5-3-3 in 1953. Young Paul Dietzel had taken over as head coach in 1955 had had consecutive records of 3-5-2, 3-7 and 5-5. For 1958 he had a team mostly of sophomores and juniors, (remember that freshmen were not eligible), and little was expected of them in 1958.

But one of the juniors was a remarkable player named Billy Cannon, 6-1 208 with 9.4 speed in the 100 yard dash who was strong enough to put the shot 56 feet, dead-lift 450 pounds and press 285 pounds, unusual numbers in those days. He’d scored 39 touchdowns as a senior in highs school and everyone wanted him to play for them in college. Dietzel won the race to get him. Billy was described as combining “the rhythm of a chorus girl, the power of a steamroller and the boom of a cannon”. He also had the perfect name for an explosive player. His sophomore year he made a pretty fair running duo with a fullback named Jim Taylor. Taylor had been replaced by on J. W. Broadnax. They also had a new quarterback, Warren Rabb, who had completed 8 of 28 passes as a back-up the season before.

Dietzel concentrated on building up his defense. He also came up with a clever trick for his deep reserves. In this era, when a player who left in a quarter could not come back into the game until the next quarter, teams had a first team that played both ways and a second team that also played both ways. The first team would start each half. The second team would come in late in the first and third quarters, play into the next quarter and then the first team would come back in. (It wasn’t quite as simple as that – there were exceptions for injured players, but that was the general idea.) Deep teams might create a third team and use them as “shock troops” to start the game. They would be highly motivated to prove themselves and, (ideally) play competitively with the other team’s first team. The powerhouse would then send in their first team to roll over the demoralized opponent. (Knute Rockne famously did this in the 20’s.) Dietzel decided to do that with his team, even though they were hardly a powerhouse. He decided to try to create a culture for each team by naming them. The first team was the “white team”, (this was the year LSU began wearing white at home and on the road), and had his best defenders. The second team was the “Go” team and contained his best offensive players. The third team was the “Chinese Bandits”, based on a line from Dietzel’s favorite comic strip, “Terry and the Pirates”, in which Chinese Bandits were described as "the most vicious people in the world." Chinese music would be played as they entered the field. It gave this third team sky-high morale and aggressiveness. Using all three teams keep all of Dietzel’s players fresh and avoided injuries.

The first team to get mauled by the suddenly revived Tigers was Rice, then a highly respected program who had beaten the Tigers 20-14 and won the SWC the previous year and gone to the Cotton Bowl. LSU whipped the Owls, 26-6 with four different players scoring. Cannon wasn’t among them but set up two scores with a long pass reception and a punt return. The propelled the Tigers to #15 in the AP (writer’s) pill and #13 in the UPI (coach’s poll). They followed that up with a 13-3 victory over Bear Bryant’s first Alabama team and somehow moved to #13 according to AP but down to #17 per UPI. Iowa beat TCU the same day, 17-0 and jumped to #8 in both polls. The entire Top 10 won in week three as did LSU in a 20-6 romp over Hardin-Simmons, then a mid-major. Week four brought a vital game. Darrell Royal’s second Texas team upset his mentor, Bud Wilkinson’s Oklahoma powerhouse, 15-14, using a new rule that allowed teams to try for two points after a touchdown. Royal used his passing quarterback, (who hadn’t seen much action), Vince Mathews to lead the team on a late drive for the winning score, which came on fourth down. That one point kept the Sooners from a perfect season and another national championship – and opened the door for the Tigers.

Notre dame lost to Army 2-14 the same day. This was Red Blaik’s last Army team, completing the program’s comeback from the 1952 cribbing scandal with an undefeated season. But the Cadets had an exception, too, but not yet. They went to the #1 spot for week 5. Auburn was #2 but got tied by Georgia Tech 7-7. #4 Wisconsin, #5 Michigan State and #6 Navy all went down. LSU had crushed U. of Miami 41-0 in week four. That got them a #9 ranking and they followed it up by destroying Kentucky 32-7, which got them all the way up to #3 behind Army and Ohio State. Wisconsin tied the Buckeyes 7-7 in week 6and Pittsburgh tied Army 14-14, parting the waves for the Tigers to reach the #1 spot in the AP poll after a 10-7 win over Florida, thanks to “Billy Cannon’s clutch running”. UPI wasn’t convinced and rated them #5 behind Iowa, Army, Ohio State and Auburn, all at 4-0-1.

Now came a major roadblock: #6 Mississippi, which was establishing itself as a major power. The Tigers hadn’t beaten them since 1960. A goal line stand at the Tiger 2 kept the game scoreless and a Rebel fumble at their own 21 set up a run by Rabb for a score. A blocked punt in the fourth quarter set up the clincher is a 14-0 win. The Tigers never relinquished their top ranking, crushing Duke, then considered a national power, 50-18 the next week. UPI now pushed them up to #1 in both polls. Meanwhile Ohio State had been shocked 0-21 by Ara Parsehgian’s surprising Northwestern team.

The Tigers began reading their press clippings and so did Mississippi State’s Bulldogs. The result was a skin-of-their-teeth close call, 7-6 that included a missed field goal on the game’s last play. Meanwhile, Ohio State won a wild, (for the times) 38-28 game over Iowa. Bob White who had gained 66 of 68 yards in the winning drive vs. the Hawkeyes in 1957, had a huge day with 209 yards, 71 on one play and repeated his 1957 performance by carrying 11 times in the drive that broke a 28-28 tie. LSU erased the memory of the struggles against Mississippi State with a 62-0 romp over their perennial rival Tulane. That ended their regular season and wrapped up a totally unexpected national championship.

But to modern eyes, you’ve got to win your bowl game. The Tigers were back in the Sugar Bowl after 9 years. Their opponent was feisty 12th ranked Clemson, an 8-2 team. Auburn was 9-0-1 but still on probation and other teams used black players. Frank Howard, the Clemson coach said “They keep telling us we’re not worth a darn. I don’t know, maybe we’re not. But you keep telling a feller that long enough and it begins to get under his hide.” Both teams were the Tigers and they both play the Tiger Rag so New Orleans might not have bene as intimidating to the visiting Tigers as most teams: they could pretend the fans were rooting for them. Howard called his team “The One-Armed Bandits”. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

LSU had three good first half scoring chances and came up empty each time, once when Broadnax fumbled through the end zone. They finally cashed in in the third quarter when a punt snap was bobbled and recovered by the hometown Tigers at the visiting Tiger’s 11. Clemson center Paul Snyder said “A little wet grass got between my hand and the ball. It slipped when I threw it and it got away.” Per “Big Bowl Football” by Fred Russell and George Leonard, “”LSU advanced the ball two yards on the next two plays. Dietzel sent in the next one. Quarterback Durel Matherne, (Rabb had been injured), handed off to Cannon, who moved from left to right on a run or pass option. Billy slowed up after he’d gone a few yards laterally and cast a strike into the arms of right end Mickey Mangham in the end zone.” Cannon: “I didn’t throw it. The Lord did.” Clemson marched 59 yards to the LSU 24 but turned the ball over on downs. That was their last gasp. LSU won 7-0 to finish 11-0-0. Nobody else did.


Not that there weren’t other worthy teams. Oklahoma had beaten a Syracuse team that also had lost just one game by one point 21-6 in the orange Bowl. They had out-scored their 11 opponents 300-53 and might well have won still another national title except for that two point conversion by Texas. The Big Eight had finally muscled up enough to challenge the Sooners who finally felt the effects of trying to sustain success and Oklahoma would not have such a team for nearly a decade. Army finished 9-0-1 and had the Heisman Trophy winner in Pete Dawkins. They outscored their opposition 264-49. Auburn followed up their 1957 coach’s title with a 9-0-1 record. They had even less offense than the previous year, (173-62), but the same knack for winning close games. They finally came off probation in 1959 and lost three games- by a total of 13 points. Air Force joined the ranks of the major college service teams with a 9-0-1 record of their own. (247-102). Their one blemish was a 14-14 tie with Iowa. Then they got another with a 0-0 tie with Texas Christian in the Cotton Bowl, (there were 5 missed field goals).maybe it had something to do with the coaches: ben martin of Air Force vs. Abe Martin of TCU, (no, no relation). But the #2 ranked team was Iowa, with that loss to Ohio State and that tie with Air Force, (8-1-1, 272-146). They blew away a mediocre California team in the Rose Bowl, 38-12, ending a stretch where the Big Ten won 12 of 13 Rose Bowls.

With three teams at 9-0-1 and Oklahoma losing by a point, there are a lot of ways this year could have wound up differently but it didn’t. LSU was recognized as national champions by 14 for the 16 official NCAA selectors: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, Boand, DeVold, Dunkel, Football news, Football research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship foundation, Poling, UPI and Williamson. Iowa was recognized by Football Writers Association and Sagarin. Of the non-NCAA selectors I found on the web, all of them (Time Travel, Dolphin, Howell, Square gear, Taylor, Waits and Wilson) went for LSU. The massive lsit on College Football Data Warehouse:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160331144734/http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/yearly_results.php?year=1958
has LSU chosen by 39 selectors and Iowa, Auburn and Oklahoma chosen by 1 each.

Here is Richard Vautravers article on the 1958 national championship:
1958 College Football National Championship
He thinks Iowa has a case based on their schedule but still goes for LSU.
 
So who was #1? I’m not going to run a poll on a Syracuse board- it would be a waste of bandwidth. But I thought it would be fun to look at. In fact, it was fun when I first looked at it a few years ago:

There has been a lot of outrage on this board that the University of Mississippi is claiming the 1959 national championship. We were certainly the deserving national champions that season. We were the only undefeated team, led the country in yards gained and fewest yards surrendered, (and set an all-time record for the ratio), rushing yards gained and surrendered, (ditto), points scored, first downs and touchdown passes. We finished #1 in both polls and 16 of the 19 national championship selectors the NCAA regards as “major” selectors.

Mississippi won the other three. They lost to defending national LSU on Halloween, 3-7 on Billy Cannon’s legendary 89 yard punt return but came back to smash the Tiger s, 21-0 in the Sugar Bowl in a game that must have been very much like Alabama’s victory by the same score 52 years later. The Rebels out-gained the Tigers 363-74, holding Cannon to 8 yards rushing. His team got -15. It’s not the same thing as being unbeaten but dominating the one team that did beat you is surely the next best thing. One wonders what a poll after the bowls might have looked like. But they didn’t have one in those days.

Mississippi gave up the fewest points in the country, out-scoring 11 teams 350-22, (we were 413-73). They out-gained their opposition 368-141 compared to 439-110 for Syracuse, (I’m including the bowl games). We out-rushed the opposition 297-31 and out-passed them 142-79. The Rebels out-rushed their opposition 230-84 and out-passed them, 138-57.

(Let’s look at how they did against ranked teams:
Syracuse beat #7 Penn State 20-18 for +21 points, #17 UCLA 36-8 for +37 points and #4 Texas 23-14 for +31 points for a total of +89 points.
Mississippi beat #10 Arkansas 28-0 for +44 points, lost to #1 LSU 3-7 for +21 points, beat #9 Tennessee 37-7 for +47 points and #3 LSU 21-0 for +44 points = +156 points.)

Some posters have responded as if Mississippi was a paper tiger, (or rebel) in 1959. One said that we would have beaten them by 20-30 points. A big reason for this is that Mississippi, like all southern teams in 1959, were segregated and like many of them, refused to play any team that even used blacks. But it should be noted that this didn’t prevent the writers and coaches from voting Oklahoma, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, Alabama and Texas #1 in that era.

Another big reason, I believe is that it’s been decades since Mississippi was a real power. They occasionally have good teams these days but they are basically and SEC also-ran these days. That was not the case in the 1950 and 1960’s. In fact, look at this list of the winningest major college football teams from 1950-69:
I-A Winning Percentage 1950-1969
We have strong reasons to disagree with their claiming the 1959 title and to have contempt for their refusal to use or play blacks but we shouldn’t under-estimate how good they were or assume we would have blown them out if we’d played them.

I have two other methods I use to rate teams. Neither is perfect, (no method is) but they are worth looking at. The first one I call “point differential rankings”. The formula is this: if your team beat an opponent by more than anyone else did, or tied an opponent that won all their other games or lost to an all-conquering opponent by the smallest margin, you get a “1”. If one team did better than you did, you get a “2”. If two teams did better, you get a “3”, and so on. It measures both power and consistency. It also compares your team not just to their opposition but to all the teams the opposition played, which will typically include teams from all parts of the country and all the major conferences. Finally, it’s a great way to compare teams of different years and eras because it doesn’t matter how high or low scoring the era was. It doesn’t matter if you got a “1” for beating a team 50-0 or for beating them 20-0. It just matters that it was a “1”. Here is how the 1959 Syracuse and Mississippi rate in “point differential rankings”:

SYRACUSE
Beat Kansas by 14: no one did better so that’s a “1”
Beat Maryland by 29: “1”
Beat Navy by 26: “1”
Beat Holy Cross by 36; Penn State beat them by 46 so that’s a “2”
Beat West Virginia by 44: “1”
Beat Pittsburgh by 35: “1”
Beat Penn State by 2; Pittsburgh beat them by 15, so that’s a “2”
Beat Colgate by 71: “1”
Beat Boston U. by 46: “1”
Beat UCLA by 28: “1”
Beat Texas by 9: “1”

Syracuse gets no extra credit for this but it’s worth noting that the Orange beat both of the teams whose performance against an opponent topped theirs. Overall, SU scored nine 1’s and two 2’s in 11 games, a total of 13, which divided by 11 gives them a ranking of 1.18.

MISSISSIPPI

Beat Houston by 16: Texas A&M beat the Cougars by 22 and Texas Tech beat them by 27 so that’s a “3”
Beat Kentucky by 16 Auburn beat them by 33, so that’s a “2”
Beat Memphis State by 43: “1”
Beat Vanderbilt by 33: “1”
Beat Tulane by 46: “1”
Beat Arkansas by 28: “1”
Lost to Louisiana State by 4: Tennessee beta them by 1 the next week and Ole Miss’s own Sugar Bowl performance tops it, too: “3”
Beat Chattanooga by 58: “1”
Beat Tennessee by 30: “1”
Beat Mississippi State by 42: “1”
Beat LSU in the Sugar Bowl by 21: “1”

That’s a total of 16 ranking points, (eight 1’s, a 2 and two 3’s) in 11 games, an average of 1.45. That’s not as good as Syracuse but it’s pretty darn good. Some years back I figured the point differential rankings for every team that had been ranked #1 by any of those NCAA “major selectors” for last 50 years, (the second half) of the 20th century. Here was the top ten of those teams:

1) Alabama 1973 1.08
2) Syracuse 1959 1.18
3) Nebraska 1995 1.25
4) Notre Dame 1966 1.30
5) Ohio State 1973 1.36
6) Florida State 1993 1.38
7) Oklahoma 1956 1.40
8) Southern California 1972 and Oklahoma 1986 1.42
9) Maryland 1953 and Mississippi 1959 1.45
10) Nebraska 1971 1.54

So a 1959 match-up between Syracuse and Mississippi would have been a battle of two of the most consistently dominant teams of the second half of the twentieth century.

The other way I like to compare teams, when we are talking about teams from the same season, is- brace yourself- comparative scores. Yeah, I know. “There is no transitive property in college football.” You can run scores together to make it look like Slippery Rock would beat Alabama. All you have to do is hitch up the best performance by one team to the worst by another and keep doing it until you achieve your desired result. But I think if you run a lot of lines of comparative scores and most of them point to the same result that can be more meaningful.

I flipped through the scores in the 1960 NCAA Guide, which gives the 1959 scores) to come up with this: I ran lines of comparative scores from each SU opponent to at least one of the Mississippi opponents. I looked for the shortest, (and thus presumably most meaningful), lines for each SU opponent. If there were other lines for that same opponent of the same length, (as there usually were), I averaged the results for all of them. Then I totaled the results and divided by the number of opponents, (11), to get the team favored by the comparative scores and by how much. The numbers may surprise you.

SU beat Kansas by 14 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +1
SU beat Kansas by 14 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +24
SU beat Kansas by 14 who beat Oklahoma State by 14 who lost to Arkansas by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +6.
TOTAL: Ole Miss +29 in 3 lines = Ole Miss +10.

SU beat Maryland by 29 who lost to Texas by 26 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +24
SU beat Maryland by 29 who lost to Wake Forest by 3 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 26 = Ole Miss +26
SU beat Maryland by 29 who beat UNC by 7 who lost to Tennessee by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Maryland by 29 who beat Virginia by 43 who lost to Vanderbilt by 33 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +6
TOTAL: Ole Miss +60 in 4 lines = Ole Miss +15

SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to SMU by 13 who lost to Arkansas by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +18
SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to Miami by 15 who lost to LSU by 24 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = Ole Miss +9
SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to Miami by 15 who lost to LSU by 24 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +34
SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to Miami by 15 who lost to Kentucky by 19 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +24
TOTAL: Ole Miss +85 over 4 lines = Ole Miss +21

SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Villanova by 20 who lost to Xavier by 28 who lost to Kentucky by 41 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +29
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Villanova by 20 who lost to Detroit by 34 who lost to Kentucky by 25
who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +19
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Cincinnati by 14 who lost to Houston by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +13
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Xavier by 3 who lost to Kentucky by 41 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Detroit by 19 who lost to Kentucky by 41 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Detroit by 19 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +46
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who beat Wichita State by 5 who lost to Houston by 15 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +18
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Ole Miss +36
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +48
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss +33
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = Ole Miss +35
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +37
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +37
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Detroit by 14 who lost to Kentucky by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +37
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Detroit by 14 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +67
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Oklahoma State by 6 who lost to Arkansas by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +22
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Oklahoma State by 6 who beat Houston by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +3
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who beat Cincinnati by 1 who lost to Houston by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU + 2
TOTAL: Ole Miss +471 over 19 lines = Ole Miss +25

SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who lost to Texas by 26 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +29
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who lost to Wake Forest by 3 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +31
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who beat UNC by 7 who lost to Tennessee by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss by +21
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who beat Virginia by 43 who lost to Vanderbilt by 33 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat Richmond by 3 who lost to Florida State by 16 who lost to Memphis State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +22
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat George Washington by 2 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Kentucky by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +27
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat George Washington by 2 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +57
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat George Washington by 2 who lost to Wichita State by 21 who lost to Houston by 15 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +6
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat Pittsburgh by 8 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +36
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat Pittsburgh by 8 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = SU +11
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +20
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Tie
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +12
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = SU +3
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = SU +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +3
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to USC by 36 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = Ole Miss +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to USC by 36 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +26
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Virginia Tech by 12 who lost to Wake Forest by 9 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +29
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Virginia Tech by 12 who beat Virginia by 26 who lost to Vanderbilt by 33 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Ole Miss +8
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to The Citadel by 6 who lost to Florida State by 38 who lost to Memphis State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +53
TOTAL: Ole Miss +281 in 23 lines = Ole Miss +12

SU beat Pittsburgh by 35 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +19
SU beat Pittsburgh by 35 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss -6
SU beat Pittsburgh by 35 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to Arkansas by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss -6
TOTAL: SU + 7 in 3 lines = SU +2

SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +4
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Ole Miss +24
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +36
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss +21
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = Ole Miss +23
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +25
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +27
TOTAL: Ole Miss +160 in 7 lines = Ole Miss +23

SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +27
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +7
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +5
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = SU +10
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = SU +8
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = SU +6
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +1
TOTAL: SU +52 in 7 lines = SU +7

SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to George Washington by 4 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Kentucky by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +31
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to George Washington by 4 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +61
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +12
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +13
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to Arkansas by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +13
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to Oklahoma State by 14 who lost to Arkansas by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = SU +5
TOTAL: Ole Miss +101 in 6 lines = Ole Miss +17

SU beat UCLA by 28 who tied Purdue who beat Minnesota by 6 who beat Vanderbilt by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +15
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat California by 7 who beat Washington State by 14 who beat Houston by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +47
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat California by 7 who lost to Texas by 33 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +25
SU beat UCLA by 28 who lost to Washington by 16 who beat Washington State by 20 who beat Houston by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +30
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat Stanford by 42 who lost to Washington State by 17 who beat Houston by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +51
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to UNC by 8 who lost to Tennessee by 22, who lost to Ole Miss by 30= Ole Miss +23
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to Wake Forest by 3 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +18
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to Mississippi Southern by 5 who lost to Memphis by 15 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +26
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to Mississippi Southern by 5 who beat Chattanooga by 18 who lost to Ole Miss by 58 = Ole Miss +18
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat USC by 7 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +26
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat USC by 7 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = SU +1
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat USC by 7 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to Arkansas by 16 who lost to Ole Miss by28 = tie
TOTAL: SU +60 in 12 lines = SU +5

SU beat Texas by 9 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +18
TOTAL: Ole Miss +18 in one line = Ole Miss +18

Summary:
the Kansas line = Ole Miss +10
the Maryland line = Ole Miss +15
the Navy line = Ole Miss +21
the Holy Cross line = Ole Miss +25
the West Virginia line = Ole Miss +12
the Pittsburgh line = SU +2
the Penn State line = Ole Miss +23
the Colgate line = SU +7
the Boston U. line = Ole Miss +17
the UCLA line = SU +5
the Texas line: Ole Miss +18
TOTAL: Ole Miss +127 in 11 lines = Ole Miss +12
Looking at the individual lines, SU won 26 of them, (29.2%), Ole Miss 61 of them, (68.5%) with two tied.

The comparative scores, depending on how you look at them, tell us that Mississippi would have won by 12 points or that they would have won about 7 out of 10 games if they’d played that many.

What does this prove? Nothing. Except that the Rebels would certainly have proven a formidable opponent for SU if they’d played in 1959. I highly doubt we would have beaten them by “20-30 points”, despite the fact that they were a segregated team. They may have limited their available talent pool due to the stupid attitudes that prevailed in their section of the country in those days but they recruited enough top white players to have a very powerful team anyway. They had 9 players drafted by the NFL after that season and six more who would have been on that team drafted in the next two years. Some names I remember: Larry Grantham, star linebacker for the Jet’s Super Bowl winners, Charlie Flowers who was the All-American fullback that year, ends Johnny Brewer and Bobby Crespino and d-back Bobby Franklin, who played for the Cleveland Browns when I grew up rooting for them in the 1960’s. George Blair, a defensive back for the Chargers, Bob Khayat, a kicker for the Redskins, Bookie Bolin, long-time guard for the Giants, Glynn Griffing, who would quarterback their almost as strong 1961-62 teams. Not listed is Jake Gibbs, their 1959-60 quarterback who opted for baseball and played catcher for the Yankees. SU’s 1959 team had four players drafted after the 1959 season but 14 more in the subsequent two years for a total of 18. Ernie Davis, of course, was one of them. All-American guard Roger Davis was another, along with John Brown and Al Bemiller, who had successful NFL careers in the lines of the browns and the Bills, respectively. The others are more famous to us than they were in the NFL. (John Mackey and Walt Sweeney were freshmen in 1959: they joined the varsity the next year.)

I don’t know what would have happened if Syracuse had played Mississippi in 1959 but I think we can thank Billy Cannon that we didn’t have to find out. It seems like one of those things that’s better left the way it was.

Basically, it comes down to Gene Tunney vs. Rocky Marciano. Gene Tunney lost one fight in his whole career - to the great middleweight Harry Greb. He came back to beat Greb four times and said that his fights with Greb taught him how to beat Dempsey. Nobody beat Marciano. Does a decisive victory over the only team that beat you erase that loss?
 
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So who was #1? I’m not going to run a poll on a Syracuse board- it would be a waste of bandwidth. But I thought it would be fun to look at. In fact, it was fun when I first looked at it a few years:

There has been a lot of outrage on this board that the University of Mississippi is claiming the 1959 national championship. We were certainly the deserving national champions that season. We were the only undefeated team, led the country in yards gained and fewest yards surrendered, (and set an all-time record for the ratio), rushing yards gained and surrendered, (ditto), points scored, first downs and touchdown passes. We finished #1 in both polls and 16 of the 19 national championship selectors the NCAA regards as “major” selectors.

Mississippi won the other three. They lost to defending national LSU on Halloween, 3-7 on Billy Cannon’s legendary 89 yard punt return but came back to smash the Tiger s, 21-0 in the Sugar Bowl in a game that must have been very much like Alabama’s victory by the same score 52 years later. The Rebels out-gained the Tigers 363-74, holding Cannon to 8 yards rushing. His team got -15. It’s not the same thing as being unbeaten but dominating the one team that did beat you is surely the next best thing. One wonders what a poll after the bowls might have looked like. But they didn’t have one in those days.

Mississippi gave up the fewest points in the country, out-scoring 11 teams 350-22, (we were 413-73). They out-gained their opposition 368-141 compared to 439-110 for Syracuse, (I’m including the bowl games). We out-rushed the opposition 297-31 and out-passed them 142-79. The Rebels out-rushed their opposition 230-84 and out-passed them, 138-57.

(Let’s look at how they did against ranked teams:
Syracuse beat #7 Penn State 20-18 for +21 points, #17 UCLA 36-8 for +37 points and #4 Texas 23-14 for +31 points for a total of +89 points.
Mississippi beat #10 Arkansas 28-0 for +44 points, lost to #1 LSU 3-7 for +21 points, beat #9 Tennessee 37-7 for +47 points and #3 LSU 21-0 for +44 points = +156 points.)

Some posters have responded as if Mississippi was a paper tiger, (or rebel) in 1959. One said that we would have beaten them by 20-30 points. A big reason for this is that Mississippi, like all southern teams in 1959, were segregated and like many of them, refused to play any team that even used blacks. But it should be noted that this didn’t prevent the writers and coaches from voting Oklahoma, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, Alabama and Texas #1 in that era.

Another big reason, I believe is that it’s been decades since Mississippi was a real power. They occasionally have good teams these days but they are basically and SEC also-ran these days. That was not the case in the 1950 and 1960’s. In fact, look at this list of the winningest major college football teams from 1950-69:
I-A Winning Percentage 1950-1969
We have strong reasons to disagree with their claiming the 1959 title and to have contempt for their refusal to use or play blacks but we shouldn’t under-estimate how good they were or assume we would have blown them out if we’d played them.

I have two other methods I use to rate teams. Neither is perfect, (no method is) but they are worth looking at. The first one I call “point differential rankings”. The formula is this: if your team beat an opponent by more than anyone else did, or tied an opponent that won all their other games or lost to an all-conquering opponent by the smallest margin, you get a “1”. If one team did better than you did, you get a “2”. If two teams did better, you get a “3”, and so on. It measures both power and consistency. It also compares your team not just to their opposition but to all the teams the opposition played, which will typically include teams from all parts of the country and all the major conferences. Finally, it’s a great way to compare teams of different years and eras because it doesn’t matter how high or low scoring the era was. It doesn’t matter if you got a “1” for beating a team 50-0 or for beating them 20-0. It just matters that it was a “1”. Here is how the 1959 Syracuse and Mississippi rate in “point differential rankings”:

SYRACUSE
Beat Kansas by 14: no one did better so that’s a “1”
Beat Maryland by 29: “1”
Beat Navy by 26: “1”
Beat Holy Cross by 36; Penn State beat them by 46 so that’s a “2”
Beat West Virginia by 44: “1”
Beat Pittsburgh by 35: “1”
Beat Penn State by 2; Pittsburgh beat them by 15, so that’s a “2”
Beat Colgate by 71: “1”
Beat Boston U. by 46: “1”
Beat UCLA by 28: “1”
Beat Texas by 9: “1”

Syracuse gets no extra credit for this but it’s worth noting that the Orange beat both of the teams whose performance against an opponent topped theirs. Overall, SU scored nine 1’s and two 2’s in 11 games, a total of 13, which divided by 11 gives them a ranking of 1.18.

MISSISSIPPI

Beat Houston by 16: Texas A&M beat the Cougars by 22 and Texas Tech beat them by 27 so that’s a “3”
Beat Kentucky by 16 Auburn beat them by 33, so that’s a “2”
Beat Memphis State by 43: “1”
Beat Vanderbilt by 33: “1”
Beat Tulane by 46: “1”
Beat Arkansas by 28: “1”
Lost to Louisiana State by 4: Tennessee beta them by 1 the next week and Ole Miss’s own Sugar Bowl performance tops it, too: “3”
Beat Chattanooga by 58: “1”
Beat Tennessee by 30: “1”
Beat Mississippi State by 42: “1”
Beat LSU in the Sugar Bowl by 21: “1”

That’s a total of 16 ranking points, (eight 1’s, a 2 and two 3’s) in 11 games, an average of 1.45. That’s not as good as Syracuse but it’s pretty darn good. Some years back I figured the point differential rankings for every team that had been ranked #1 by any of those NCAA “major selectors” for last 50 years, (the second half) of the 20th century. Here was the top ten of those teams:

1) Alabama 1973 1.08
2) Syracuse 1959 1.18
3) Nebraska 1995 1.25
4) Notre Dame 1966 1.30
5) Ohio State 1973 1.36
6) Florida State 1993 1.38
7) Oklahoma 1956 1.40
8) Southern California 1972 and Oklahoma 1986 1.42
9) Maryland 1953 and Mississippi 1959 1.45
10) Nebraska 1971 1.54

So a 1959 match-up between Syracuse and Mississippi would have been a battle of two of the most consistently dominant teams of the second half of the twentieth century.

The other way I like to compare teams, when we are talking about teams from the same season, is- brace yourself- comparative scores. Yeah, I know. “There is no transitive property in college football.” You can run scores together to make it look like Slippery Rock would beat Alabama. All you have to do is hitch up the best performance by one team to the worst by another and keep doing it until you achieve your desired result. But I think if you run a lot of lines of comparative scores and most of them point to the same result that can be more meaningful.

I flipped through the scores in the 1960 NCAA Guide, which gives the 1959 scores) to come up with this: I ran lines of comparative scores from each SU opponent to at least one of the Mississippi opponents. I looked for the shortest, (and thus presumably most meaningful), lines for each SU opponent. If there were other lines for that same opponent of the same length, (as there usually were), I averaged the results for all of them. Then I totaled the results and divided by the number of opponents, (11), to get the team favored by the comparative scores and by how much. The numbers may surprise you.

SU beat Kansas by 14 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +1
SU beat Kansas by 14 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +24
SU beat Kansas by 14 who beat Oklahoma State by 14 who lost to Arkansas by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +6.
TOTAL: Ole Miss +29 in 3 lines = Ole Miss +10.

SU beat Maryland by 29 who lost to Texas by 26 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +24
SU beat Maryland by 29 who lost to Wake Forest by 3 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 26 = Ole Miss +26
SU beat Maryland by 29 who beat UNC by 7 who lost to Tennessee by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Maryland by 29 who beat Virginia by 43 who lost to Vanderbilt by 33 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +6
TOTAL: Ole Miss +60 in 4 lines = Ole Miss +15

SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to SMU by 13 who lost to Arkansas by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +18
SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to Miami by 15 who lost to LSU by 24 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = Ole Miss +9
SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to Miami by 15 who lost to LSU by 24 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +34
SU beat Navy by 26 who lost to Miami by 15 who lost to Kentucky by 19 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +24
TOTAL: Ole Miss +85 over 4 lines = Ole Miss +21

SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Villanova by 20 who lost to Xavier by 28 who lost to Kentucky by 41 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +29
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Villanova by 20 who lost to Detroit by 34 who lost to Kentucky by 25
who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +19
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Cincinnati by 14 who lost to Houston by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +13
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Xavier by 3 who lost to Kentucky by 41 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Detroit by 19 who lost to Kentucky by 41 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who lost to Detroit by 19 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +46
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who beat Dayton by 8 who beat Wichita State by 5 who lost to Houston by 15 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +18
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +16
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Ole Miss +36
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +48
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss +33
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = Ole Miss +35
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +37
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Penn State by 46 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +37
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Detroit by 14 who lost to Kentucky by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +37
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Detroit by 14 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +67
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Oklahoma State by 6 who lost to Arkansas by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +22
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who lost to Oklahoma State by 6 who beat Houston by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +3
SU beat Holy Cross by 36 who lost to Marquette by 18 who beat Cincinnati by 1 who lost to Houston by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU + 2
TOTAL: Ole Miss +471 over 19 lines = Ole Miss +25

SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who lost to Texas by 26 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 22 = Ole Miss +29
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who lost to Wake Forest by 3 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +31
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who beat UNC by 7 who lost to Tennessee by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss by +21
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Maryland by 20 who beat Virginia by 43 who lost to Vanderbilt by 33 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat Richmond by 3 who lost to Florida State by 16 who lost to Memphis State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +22
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat George Washington by 2 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Kentucky by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +27
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat George Washington by 2 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +57
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat George Washington by 2 who lost to Wichita State by 21 who lost to Houston by 15 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +6
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat Pittsburgh by 8 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +36
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who beat Pittsburgh by 8 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = SU +11
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +20
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Tie
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +12
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = SU +3
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = SU +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Penn State by 18 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +3
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to USC by 36 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = Ole Miss +1
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to USC by 36 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +26
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Virginia Tech by 12 who lost to Wake Forest by 9 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +29
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to Virginia Tech by 12 who beat Virginia by 26 who lost to Vanderbilt by 33 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Ole Miss +8
SU beat West Virginia by 44 who lost to The Citadel by 6 who lost to Florida State by 38 who lost to Memphis State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +53
TOTAL: Ole Miss +281 in 23 lines = Ole Miss +12

SU beat Pittsburgh by 35 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +19
SU beat Pittsburgh by 35 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss -6
SU beat Pittsburgh by 35 who lost to TCU by 10 who lost to Arkansas by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss -6
TOTAL: SU + 7 in 3 lines = SU +2

SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +4
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = Ole Miss +24
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +36
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = Ole Miss +21
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = Ole Miss +23
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +25
SU beat Penn State by 2 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +27
TOTAL: Ole Miss +160 in 7 lines = Ole Miss +23

SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Houston by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +27
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Vanderbilt who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +7
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Chattanooga who lost to Mississippi by 58 = Ole Miss +5
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who tied Tennessee who lost to Ole Miss by 30 = SU +10
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Mississippi State by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 42 = SU +8
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Tulane by 12 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = SU +6
SU beat Colgate by 71 who lost to Penn State by 38 who beat Alabama by 7 who beat Memphis State by 7 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +1
TOTAL: SU +52 in 7 lines = SU +7

SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to George Washington by 4 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Kentucky by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = Ole Miss +31
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to George Washington by 4 who lost to Detroit by 32 who lost to Tulane by 25 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +61
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +12
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to LSU by 10 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = Ole Miss +13
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to TCU by 7 who lost to Arkansas by 3 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +13
SU beat Boston U. by 46 who lost to Kansas by 21 who lost to Oklahoma State by 14 who lost to Arkansas by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = SU +5
TOTAL: Ole Miss +101 in 6 lines = Ole Miss +17

SU beat UCLA by 28 who tied Purdue who beat Minnesota by 6 who beat Vanderbilt by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 33 = SU +15
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat California by 7 who beat Washington State by 14 who beat Houston by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +47
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat California by 7 who lost to Texas by 33 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +25
SU beat UCLA by 28 who lost to Washington by 16 who beat Washington State by 20 who beat Houston by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +30
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat Stanford by 42 who lost to Washington State by 17 who beat Houston by 14 who lost to Ole Miss by 16 = SU +51
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to UNC by 8 who lost to Tennessee by 22, who lost to Ole Miss by 30= Ole Miss +23
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to Wake Forest by 3 who lost to Tulane by 6 who lost to Ole Miss by 46 = Ole Miss +18
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to Mississippi Southern by 5 who lost to Memphis by 15 who lost to Ole Miss by 43 = Ole Miss +26
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat NC State by 9 who lost to Mississippi Southern by 5 who beat Chattanooga by 18 who lost to Ole Miss by 58 = Ole Miss +18
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat USC by 7 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who beat Ole Miss by 4 = SU +26
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat USC by 7 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to LSU by 22 who lost to Ole Miss by 21 = SU +1
SU beat UCLA by 28 who beat USC by 7 who beat Baylor by 9 who lost to Arkansas by 16 who lost to Ole Miss by28 = tie
TOTAL: SU +60 in 12 lines = SU +5

SU beat Texas by 9 who beat Arkansas by 1 who lost to Ole Miss by 28 = Ole Miss +18
TOTAL: Ole Miss +18 in one line = Ole Miss +18

Summary:
the Kansas line = Ole Miss +10
the Maryland line = Ole Miss +15
the Navy line = Ole Miss +21
the Holy Cross line = Ole Miss +25
the West Virginia line = Ole Miss +12
the Pittsburgh line = SU +2
the Penn State line = Ole Miss +23
the Colgate line = SU +7
the Boston U. line = Ole Miss +17
the UCLA line = SU +5
the Texas line: Ole Miss +18
TOTAL: Ole Miss +127 in 11 lines = Ole Miss +12
Looking at the individual lines, SU won 26 of them, (29.2%), Ole Miss 61 of them, (68.5%) with two tied.

The comparative scores, depending on how you look at them, tell us that Mississippi would have won by 12 points or that they would have won about 7 out of 10 games if they’d played that many.

What does this prove? Nothing. Except that the Rebels would certainly have proven a formidable opponent for SU if they’d played in 1959. I highly doubt we would have beaten them by “20-30 points”, despite the fact that they were a segregated team. They may have limited their available talent pool due to the stupid attitudes that prevailed in their section of the country in those days but they recruited enough top white players to have a very powerful team anyway. They had 9 players drafted by the NFL after that season and six more who would have been on that team drafted in the next two years. Some names I remember: Larry Grantham, star linebacker for the Jet’s Super Bowl winners, Charlie Flowers who was the All-American fullback that year, ends Johnny Brewer and Bobby Crespino and d-back Bobby Franklin, who played for the Cleveland Browns when I grew up rooting for them in the 1960’s. George Blair, a defensive back for the Chargers, Bob Khayat, a kicker for the Redskins, Bookie Bolin, long-time guard for the Giants, Glynn Griffing, who would quarterback their almost as strong 1961-62 teams. Not listed is Jake Gibbs, their 1959-60 quarterback who opted for baseball and played catcher for the Yankees. SU’s 1959 team had four players drafted after the 1959 season but 14 more in the subsequent two years for a total of 18. Ernie Davis, of course, was one of them. All-American guard Roger Davis was another, along with John Brown and Al Bemiller, who had successful NFL careers in the lines of the browns and the Bills, respectively. The others are more famous to us than they were in the NFL. (John Mackey and Walt Sweeney were freshmen in 1959: they joined the varsity the next year.)

I don’t know what would have happened if Syracuse had played Mississippi in 1959 but I think we can thank Billy Cannon that we didn’t have to find out. It seems like one of those things that’s better left the way it was.
I would prefer a more detailed analysis.
 
But you are SU fans. There's no decision to make! :mad:
 

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