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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 146982, member: 716"] The whole elbow thing absolutely stems from refs' unwillingness to enforce the rules. It only came up a couple years ago because players made a habit of hacking bigs who came down with a defensive rebound, hoping for a quick steal. The big would swing his elbows in an effort to clear space and occasionally make contact with a face. Andy Rautins was an early offender of this idiotic rule in the Notre Dame game. If a whistle is blown every time a player hits a defensive rebounder who's secured the ball, this rule wouldn't even exist. [/QUOTE]