Why does the Ray Rice video change anything?

[SU2NASA]

What did people think that a woman getting knocked unconscious looked like?

The video changes absolutely nothing about the facts of the case.

 

[Tobias Funke]

You are right it shouldn't luckily it came out and allowed the team and the league to add their faux rage and punish him appropriately. Bottom line is the league rolled the dice on the tape not coming out and they screwed up.

 

[Chip]

What did people think that a woman getting knocked unconscious looked like?

The video changes absolutely nothing about the facts of the case.

You know there's at least one Ravens or Rutgers fan that was saying "how do we know what happened in that elevator"

So that video was for you, Ravens or Rutgers guy. (I assume it wasn't a girl fan).

Time heals all wounds for a guy like Goodell so he'll just wait it out, and never answer the question "ummm, what exactly did you think happened in that elevator?"

 

[CusefanATL]

You are right it shouldn't luckily it came out and allowed the team and the league to add their faux rage and punish him appropriately. Bottom line is the league rolled the dice on the tape not coming out and they screwed up.

As of right now, is it appropriate?

In my opinion - its now too harsh.

If he was suspended appropriately from the beginning 8 games, 12 games or 16 games... this video isn't a game changer.

I am not in anyway advocating domestic violence... but a lifetime ban doesn't fit the bill. It's easy to say that it does... but Jason Kidd is a multiple offender (worse) and he was allowed to play and now coach. Chris Brown beat Rhianna for minutes (worse) and was allowed to continue his career.

In this case, we actually saw the video and as disturbing as it was - you can't punish him more than repeat offenders nor Chris Brown.

Also not an excuse - but I can guess that Ray was HAMMERED. Chris Brown was driving and didn't get a DUI to my recollection. A sober domestic boxing round is worse than a terrible terrible drunk 5 second stretch.

 

[retro44]

Do you have in your hands the statement he gave to the NFL?

Some say he gave a different version than what was actually on film, maybe that's why

 

[Chip]

As of right now, is it appropriate?

In my opinion - its now too harsh.

If he was suspended appropriately from the beginning 8 games, 12 games or 16 games... this video isn't a game changer.

I am not in anyway advocating domestic violence... but a lifetime ban doesn't fit the bill. It's easy to say that it does... but Jason Kidd is a multiple offender (worse) and he was allowed to play and now coach. Chris Brown beat Rhianna for minutes (worse) and was allowed to continue his career.

In this case, we actually saw the video and as disturbing as it was - you can't punish him more than repeat offenders nor Chris Brown.

Also not an excuse - but I can guess that Ray was HAMMERED. Chris Brown was driving and didn't get a DUI to my recollection. A sober domestic boxing round is worse than a terrible terrible drunk 5 second stretch.

It's not a lifetime ban though is it? (could have been new info today I didn't see). I just heard "indefinitely" which basically means he's not playing this year and then who knows. At one time people thought Michael Vick would never play in the league again.

But I also don't think you can compare to punishments to Chris Brown or Jason Kidd or anyone else. There shouldn't be a precedent for things like this. NFL needs to set its own agenda. They are powerful enough in this country to make a difference in stopping cowardly like this (whether drunk or not).

 

[texasorange]

It shouldn't. We knew he punched her and knocked her out in the elevator. Seeing that violent video just confirmed it. I'm just glad he didn't go to Syracuse.

 

[CusefanATL]

It's not a lifetime ban though is it? (could have been new info today I didn't see). I just heard "indefinitely" which basically means he's not playing this year and then who knows. At one time people thought Michael Vick would never play in the league again.

But I also don't think you can compare to punishments to Chris Brown or Jason Kidd or anyone else. There shouldn't be a precedent for things like this. NFL needs to set its own agenda. They are powerful enough in this country to make a difference in stopping cowardly like this (whether drunk or not).

you are right. It is currently an "indefinite suspension" but as of now it doesn't look like he'll get another chance. That could change, who knows?

he was known for being a model citizen and 1 night of drinking ruined his life. Thats my beef with this. He needs to be punished, but i don't think his life should be ruined.

On that note, same thing with Hanna Strong.

 

[Libero2]

He will get another chance next year after he has been "rehabilitated"

If Michael Vick can get another chance, if Dontae Stallworth (who DUI killed a pedestrian) gets to play again, if the WR that got caught dealing drugs got another chance (with the lions perhaps?) Ray rice will get another chance if he has anything left in the tank next fall.

 

[SoBeCuse]

It's tough since the whole BAL franchise, website, Dir of Player Personnel, etc. turned Ray Rice into a martyr before that video came out. He had to go and deserved it, imo.

 

[qdawgg]

The video is proof she was laying on the ground unconscious because he punched her in the face. Prior to that, there was no proof, you were assuming that's what happened.

 

[BlazeOrange]

Do you have in your hands the statement he gave to the NFL?

Some say he gave a different version than what was actually on film, maybe that's why

I agree that would be a game changer. Provided the NFL didn't have access to the video and made a legitimate effort to obtain it before handing out the initial punishment.

However, everything I've read in other threads implies that he did give an accurate description of what went down. If that wasn't the case, the NFL and Ravens should be screaming that the inconsistency is the basis for increasing the suspension. It's a win-win: "The initial punishment was light because the story we heard didn't merit anything worse (maybe he understated the force of the punch, called it a slap or push, etc., or blamed the fall more on drunkeness than the force of the blow) - now that we see what really happened, we're coming down hard because of how violent it actually was and because he misled us during the initial investigation." Addresses critics of each round of punishments and sends a message to the players not to mess around with league investigations.

 

[qdawgg]

he was known for being a model citizen and 1 night of drinking ruined his life. Thats my beef with this. He needs to be punished, but i don't think his life should be ruined.

Supposedly. Who knows how he really is at home when the doors are closed. To me, he looked just as cool punching her in the face, seeing her hit her head on the rail and knocked unconscious. Then act as if no big deal. His actions and reaction to the situation doesn't scream model citizen towards his wife or one bad night of drinking.

I also firmly believe you pay the price for your actions, regardless of whether it's a bad night or not. Guy gets in a car drunk and runs someone over, I don't give a if he doesn't normally drink. Throw the book at him. Guy punches his wife in the face and knocks her unconscious, he deserves any suitable punishment he receives.

 

[retro44]

I can say this with certainty... if the casino was still open this tape does not exist and Ray's version would have him playing in week 3. Bank on it blazeorange

 

[Chip]

you are right. It is currently an "indefinite suspension" but as of now it doesn't look like he'll get another chance. That could change, who knows?

he was known for being a model citizen and 1 night of drinking ruined his life. Thats my beef with this. He needs to be punished, but i don't think his life should be ruined.

On that note, same thing with Hanna Strong.

I'm guessing that the NFL will reinstate him next year. The biggest problem he faces (as Vick did) is whether or not a team wants him after this. And for him, that's something he just has to live with should they all pass on him. I don't know that it will happen, but there's no rule that someone has to take him.

 

[Tobias Funke]

As of right now, is it appropriate?

In my opinion - its now too harsh.

If he was suspended appropriately from the beginning 8 games, 12 games or 16 games... this video isn't a game changer.

I am not in anyway advocating domestic violence... but a lifetime ban doesn't fit the bill. It's easy to say that it does... but Jason Kidd is a multiple offender (worse) and he was allowed to play and now coach. Chris Brown beat Rhianna for minutes (worse) and was allowed to continue his career.

In this case, we actually saw the video and as disturbing as it was - you can't punish him more than repeat offenders nor Chris Brown.

Also not an excuse - but I can guess that Ray was HAMMERED. Chris Brown was driving and didn't get a DUI to my recollection. A sober domestic boxing round is worse than a terrible terrible drunk 5 second stretch.

The Chris brown example just does my fit in any way. There is no governing bodyOver the music industry, so it is left to the court of public opinion. As for the Jason Kidd example I think you are spot on in the comparison, but I think he got off easy too. Nowhere does it state that there is a lifetime ban, rather it is an indefinite suspension.

As for your questioning of Chris browns state of mind I don't think it matters. If you believe a sober beating of a woman is worse than a drunk beating of a woman iwe have different views of when It is justifiable to hit a woman. I subscribe to the view that it isn't ok sober or drunk.

 

[grepal]

I agree with the premise, what does the video change? The league screwed up, a year suspension with mandatory counseling and a no tolerance for trouble in the future clause sounds right to me. We can argue penalty all we want but when does a league that depends on and promotes violence and gambling pay a meaningful consequence? The league is starting to lose a little of the Teflon it used
to enjoy. Did anyone need a picture or video to know how wrong it is for a 200 pound specimen like Rice to hit a woman in any case except imminent danger to himself or others. The NFL screwed up royally initial punishment. I hope the league pledges a billion dollars to anti-battering campaigns around the world as its penance.

 

[CusefanATL]

The Chris brown example just does my fit in any way. There is no governing bodyOver the music industry, so it is left to the court of public opinion. As for the Jason Kidd example I think you are spot on in the comparison, but I think he got off easy too. Nowhere does it state that there is a lifetime ban, rather it is an indefinite suspension.

As for your questioning of Chris browns state of mind I don't think it matters. If you believe a sober beating of a woman is worse than a drunk beating of a woman iwe have different views of when It is justifiable to hit a woman. I subscribe to the view that it isn't ok sober or drunk.

In no uncertain terms, that's a pretty horrible mistake on your part to take what I wrote and turn it into me claiming when it is justifiable to hit a woman. Or to take what I wrote and think that I meant it was OK to hit a woman while drunk.

That is more than taking it completely out of context, that is actually not reading what I wrote.

 

[CuseCrew08]

The video absolutely changes everything. In the days after the video came out, Janay APOLOGIZED! for her role in what happened. The Rice's made it seem like she was attacking him and in a moment of anger struck her with his hand. They were BOTH arrested afterwards! Rice was clearly the aggressor, and then after she got knocked out cold, seemed completely uninterested in his fiancee's well being.

Read this article that came out after the arrest and tell me it paints the picture of what happened: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...inor-altercation-with-woman-in-atlantic-city/

 

[HOFCeluck]

I don't think Rice's reaction (dragging her unconscious out into the hallway) is conducive to this being a one time, heat of the moment, horrible mistake.

 

[Tobias Funke]

In no uncertain terms, that's a pretty horrible mistake on your part to take what I wrote and turn it into me claiming when it is justifiable to hit a woman. Or to take what I wrote and think that I meant it was OK to hit a woman while drunk.

That is more than taking it completely out of context, that is actually not reading what I wrote.

apologies. i guess point of clarification needs to be your reference to Ray Rice being HAMMERED and Chris Brown being assumed sober. ". A sober domestic boxing round is worse than a terrible terrible drunk 5 second stretch." this was the line i took issue with. My point was simply to convey in my opinion the sober or drunk thing has no impact in my opinion regarding severity. I will give you that it appears the severity of the assault in the Chris Brown thing was worse based on pictures.

 

[longislandcuse]

Ray Rice - Janay Rice. Went from being not much of an issue to full blown national social media disaster due to the video of one punch and the subsequent no ***** given attitude of Ray.

Imagine if Chris Brown or War Machine were on video..

 

[CusefanATL]

apologies. i guess point of clarification needs to be your reference to Ray Rice being HAMMERED and Chris Brown being assumed sober. ". A sober domestic boxing round is worse than a terrible terrible drunk 5 second stretch." this was the line i took issue with. My point was simply to convey in my opinion the sober or drunk thing has no impact in my opinion regarding severity. I will give you that it appears the severity of the assault in the Chris Brown thing was worse based on pictures.

A sober domestic boxing round was in reference to a beat down that lasted more than a punch. Being wasted is not an excuse to hit a woman. But it is a mind altering substance. So I can say that it is worse to be sober hitting a women (quite a few times based on the amount of different bruises to her face) than it is to do it with your mind altered. Neither are justifiable and neither are OK.

As I have said - he should be punished. But it should fit in the parameters of precedent (did i use that worse correctly? should it be precedence?)

If he is as good of a guy as some closest to him portray him to be, I feel bad that his life is ruined for 1 incident. And to the post about him not caring about her lying unconscious - after what he did, there would be no good reaction. Even if he started to give her CPR or start hitting himself in the face with regret. I'm not sure what he could have done in the seconds after to make anything better.

I can't speak for Ray Rice specifically or personally because I don't know him. But I do have a very fresh perspective on this. I know Bruce Levenson of the Hawks very well... I know for an absolute fact that he is not what some in the media are calling him to be in anyway, shape or form. Another poster on here has a fresh perspective on this as well, as he is family friends with Hanna Strong.

 

[HOFCeluck]

So what is the precedent? Because Rice was suspended for two games, then the NFL institues a six game suspension for DV, then the NFL suspends him indefinitely because the video leaked. It's just a bad look for the League.

 

[CuseCrew08]

So what is the precedent? Because Rice was suspended for two games, then the NFL institues a six game suspension for DV, then the NFL suspends him indefinitely because the video leaked. It's just a bad look for the League.

I feel that Ray lied to Goodell, with Janay's help. Made it sound like she was the aggressor and he was wrong to defend himself with a punch, but he did. It was a misunderstanding etc, etc. When the video came out the truth imo, looks a lot different than the story they told Goodell.