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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 1139491, member: 289"] You seem to be treating a successful fourth down play as a given but a good defensive stand as something you can't rely on. You can't rely on either. You have to make the best judgement you can. And having four downs to make ten yards vs. one down to make whatever yardage is not overrated. keep in mind that the first thing that happens when a play starts is that the ball goes backwards, several yards now that we are doing seemingly everything from the shotgun or the pistol. Fourth and inches is fourth and 2-3 yards plus those inches. it's not an "average play". Our original dispute was whether a Ryan Norton field goal attempt, (for 40+) was a better option than a Riley Dixon punt, so you weren't talking about going for it on fourth down anyway. Basically both extreme positions on punts: always do it or never do it; are unrealistic. It's always going to be more complicated than that. [/QUOTE]