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Message: [QUOTE="nzm136, post: 1941814, member: 2531"] You have a good point. That term applies more to the Bowden era. Clemson is great right now, and you will stay great until Dabo has a mental breakdown (which will happen), but heaven knows I hate Clemson. I honestly think that you're the best school in the nation to do the least. I'm going off on a tangent now, but you're fighting to be a top 20 program, yet Clemson fans act like you're elite. That drives me crazy. And if you don't believe me, in no particular order, I have a very hard time seeing Clemson over: 1. Michigan 2. Ohio State 3. Penn State 4. Notre Dame 5. FSU 6. Auburn 7. Florida 8. Georgia 9. Auburn 10. Alabama 11. LSU 12. Miami (FL) 13. Texas 14. Nebraska 15. Oklahoma 16. USC 17. Texas A&M (arguably) 18. Pitt (arguably if you weight history heavily - otherwise take your pick out of Stanford, Oregon, and Wisconsin) [/QUOTE]