Why TD is not our best option.

[Old Scout 65]

Go back to the Rutgers game. Early in the 4th quarter TD was sacked. Not blaming him for the sack as a lineman right in front of him was blow up and a sack was inevitable. However, he saw the sack coming, failed to secure the ball and fumbled. The resulting Rutgers field goal made it a two score game.

With 2:55 left in the game SU gets the ball on about their own 16 yard line, needing two scores and having no timeouts. What does every quarterback know and understand about this situation? 1- You can't take a sack. 2- You can't use the middle of the field. 3- You have to work the sidelines (to stop the clock). 4- You have to throw beyond the first down marker ()so that the clock is stopped even if the receiver is can't get out of bounds).

The O line pass protected for the seven plays about as perfectly as any line could. Not once did a Rutgers defensive lineman break through and TD never had to throw out of desperation
.
The seven plays: 1st down- After five full seconds of protection TD ran up into the offensive line where a D lineman was able to disengage and tackle him for a sack. 2nd down - After about 4 seconds TD completed a pass of about three yards to Tucker in the middle of the field. 3rd down - TD again standing in the pocket finds Tucker in the middle of the field for about four yards. On fourth down TD is unable to find a receiver and runs for a first down. Instead of running out of bounds he cuts away from the sideline and is tripped up in bounds allowing another 10 seconds to run off the clock after the chains are moved before the ball is snapped. It's now first down and TD throws his first sideline pass, short of the first down marker and incomplete. On second down TD finds Tucker again in the middle of the field five yards. On third down with the clock down to less than 50 seconds TD makes his first pass of more than 10 yards - it is intercepted.

TD, in his fifth year in the program is quoted after the game as saying, he's done everything he needs to do to be the starting quarterback.

 

[sufandu]

Sadly, that series does seem to be a microcosm of what we've seen.

 

[RMH44]

Sadly, that series does seem to be a microcosm of what we've seen.

TD has an incredibly low football IQ. His lack of situational awareness is alarming.

 

[OburgOrange]

You guys don’t know what you’re talking about. I was told Tommy is going to play on Sundays. So there

 

[TheCusian]

Go back to the Rutgers game. Early in the 4th quarter TD was sacked. Not blaming him for the sack as a lineman right in front of him was blow up and a sack was inevitable. However, he saw the sack coming, failed to secure the ball and fumbled. The resulting Rutgers field goal made it a two score game.

With 2:55 left in the game SU gets the ball on about their own 16 yard line, needing two scores and having no timeouts. What does every quarterback know and understand about this situation? 1- You can't take a sack. 2- You can't use the middle of the field. 3- You have to work the sidelines (to stop the clock). 4- You have to throw beyond the first down marker ()so that the clock is stopped even if the receiver is can't get out of bounds).

The O line pass protected for the seven plays about as perfectly as any line could. Not once did a Rutgers defensive lineman break through and TD never had to throw out of desperation
.
The seven plays: 1st down- After five full seconds of protection TD ran up into the offensive line where a D lineman was able to disengage and tackle him for a sack. 2nd down - After about 4 seconds TD completed a pass of about three yards to Tucker in the middle of the field. 3rd down - TD again standing in the pocket finds Tucker in the middle of the field for about four yards. On fourth down TD is unable to find a receiver and runs for a first down. Instead of running out of bounds he cuts away from the sideline and is tripped up in bounds allowing another 10 seconds to run off the clock after the chains are moved before the ball is snapped. It's now first down and TD throws his first sideline pass, short of the first down marker and incomplete. On second down TD finds Tucker again in the middle of the field five yards. On third down with the clock down to less than 50 seconds TD makes his first pass of more than 10 yards - it is intercepted.

TD, in his fifth year in the program is quoted after the game as saying, he's done everything he needs to do to be the starting quarterback.

I’m with you on that being a bad stretch. Do you normally pick one series out to evaluate or do you scout the whole game? Can we pick the drive from the first Q where he drove the team down the field?

Cherry picking his worst series of the year is not serious stuff.

 

[orangenauburn]

I’m with you on that being a bad stretch. Do you normally pick one series out to evaluate or do you scout the whole game? Can we pick the drive from the first Q where he drove the team down the field?

Cherry picking his worst series of the year is not serious stuff.

Lol

TD loyalists have been doing nothing but cherry picking for the last three years

 

[TheCusian]

Lol

TD loyalists have been doing nothing but cherry picking for the last three years

Not me. If you take the totality of my posts I think you’d see I paint a pretty fair picture. Talented arm, with obvious flaws - failed by a poor OL and a tendency to turtle under pressure

 

[GoSU96]

You guys don’t know what you’re talking about. I was told Tommy is going to play on Sundays. So there

Who said that?

 

[cuse62]

After reading that, we do use the middle of the field. I always thought we didn’t.

 

[Chip]

In college you can and should use the middle of the field. You just have to make sure your throw, or any yards after catch are going to get the first down. You can usually get a snap off or spike it and not have used any clock based on that stop the chains clock stoppage.

Bottom line with this team, if we have to pass the ball to catch up in a game, then you've got some time back in your day, go do something productive.

The biggest crime of the Rutgers game wasn't Tommy, it was Gilbert or Dino. Tucker not seeing the ball again after his TD run is a bigger lack of situational awareness than anything Tommy can do on his own.

 

[sufandu]

TD has an incredibly low football IQ. His lack of situational awareness is alarming.

I don't think it's IQ. I think it's a combination of tunnel vision and panic. He's just not cool under fire or instinctual. I also think he's so afraid of making a mistake that he doesn't take the types of chances you have to to make plays. He knows how things are supposed to go but can't go off script when it doesn't go that way, which is going to be often.

 

[sufandu]

Who said that?

Prior to 2019 that was all over the board.

 

[RMH44]

Prior to 2019 that was all over the board.

Yep, in fact many were prognosticating that he'd leave early.

 

[JRHEETER]

Yep, in fact many were prognosticating that he'd leave early.

yeah now he will be leaving early but because he will be transferring

yikes

 

[RMH44]

yeah now he will be leaving early but because he will be transferring

yikes

I understand your point except he is in his 5th year in the program and, by definition, leaving early has long passed him by.

 

[MikeSU02]

Go back to the Rutgers game. Early in the 4th quarter TD was sacked. Not blaming him for the sack as a lineman right in front of him was blow up and a sack was inevitable. However, he saw the sack coming, failed to secure the ball and fumbled. The resulting Rutgers field goal made it a two score game.

With 2:55 left in the game SU gets the ball on about their own 16 yard line, needing two scores and having no timeouts. What does every quarterback know and understand about this situation? 1- You can't take a sack. 2- You can't use the middle of the field. 3- You have to work the sidelines (to stop the clock). 4- You have to throw beyond the first down marker ()so that the clock is stopped even if the receiver is can't get out of bounds).

The O line pass protected for the seven plays about as perfectly as any line could. Not once did a Rutgers defensive lineman break through and TD never had to throw out of desperation
.
The seven plays: 1st down- After five full seconds of protection TD ran up into the offensive line where a D lineman was able to disengage and tackle him for a sack. 2nd down - After about 4 seconds TD completed a pass of about three yards to Tucker in the middle of the field. 3rd down - TD again standing in the pocket finds Tucker in the middle of the field for about four yards. On fourth down TD is unable to find a receiver and runs for a first down. Instead of running out of bounds he cuts away from the sideline and is tripped up in bounds allowing another 10 seconds to run off the clock after the chains are moved before the ball is snapped. It's now first down and TD throws his first sideline pass, short of the first down marker and incomplete. On second down TD finds Tucker again in the middle of the field five yards. On third down with the clock down to less than 50 seconds TD makes his first pass of more than 10 yards - it is intercepted.

TD, in his fifth year in the program is quoted after the game as saying, he's done everything he needs to do to be the starting quarterback.

He's been given every chance in the world to lock up being the starter. More so than any player, ever, in our program, arguably.

Good post.

 

[baggerbob]

He's been given every chance in the world to lock up being the starter. More so than any player, ever, in our program, arguably.

Good post.

And he had 2 turnovers in that game, 1 interception, and the fumble. That was the Rutgers game.

 

[Cuseregular]

Agree with the thrust of all that, but to be fair I think he said that line you quoted after the first game. Could be wrong.

 

[Atlcuse44]

Tommy reminds me of those rookie NFL QBs who are thrown into the fire too soon, get the hell beaten out of them, and never recover. I wonder what he would be like if we had a good o-line the last few years. That we will never know.

 

[sufandu]

Tommy reminds me of those rookie NFL QBs who are thrown into the fire too soon, get the hell beaten out of them, and never recover. I wonder what he would be like if we had a good o-line the last few years. That we will never know.

That's a possibility. Or maybe the fire just revealed the player he already was. Dungey didn't step into an ideal situation as a true freshman and showed he was a playmaker from the first snap. Some people had questions during that Western Michigan game where we built the huge lead, lost it when TD came in, and then righted things the moment Dungey returned. At the time I thought the negative opinions were premature. Maybe they were accurate.

 

[OrangePA]

TD has an incredibly low football IQ. His lack of situational awareness is alarming.

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