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Message: [QUOTE="PhatOrange, post: 1982651, member: 229"] that's the problem with freshman. Thing is Black/Coleman are starting with good frames, and to me appear to have very good speed. So now they have to get stronger, learn technique and become wiser with experience. The seasoned OT's they're facing are probably a little different than the ones they saw in high school; like by a 1000 miles. They can't out athletic or overpower the guy in front of them like they did in high school - yet. [/QUOTE]