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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 1889888, member: 2585"] Good grief. 1. Ok. So the players were not worried up 14. I'm not sure how this fits into the narrative of the coaches playing vanilla D. I've witnessed players joking around down 21. 2. They were never up 21. 17 in the 4th? Yep. 23 just a few later? Yep. I wasn't arguing that they were not vanilla at some point or another, just that one of the goals of this offense is to force them into a vanilla look due to tempo. So if you saw them playing vanilla it was more likely in response to the tempo, not because they were bored or at a house party or something. 3. You're right. We can play better. But that wasn't the point I was making. The middle part of the game where they were playing vanilla D strangely coincides with the same time our O played the best and outscored them. [/QUOTE]