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Message: [QUOTE="PoppyHart, post: 5657345, member: 515"] You are giving him an awful lot of credit for those first two years. Do you realize how bad the PAC-12 was at that time? No "power" conference winner goes 27-9 (15-3), wins the league by 3 games, goes unranked and gets an 8-seed in the NCAAT. The ACC, meanwhile, had the #1, #2, and #3 team in 2018-19. (#10 and 16 as well, fwiw). Maybe Hop would have found a way to compete with the big boys in the ACC in his first couple years, and if that occurred, it would have been a far greater indicator of his coaching ability and staying power than what he accomplished in Seattle. We'll never know, of course. [/QUOTE]