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Message: [QUOTE="Noexcuse, post: 2989085, member: 18"] Thinking about it, the Legacies that are coming up right now pretty much all had father's that played for P with maybe a few Mac throwbacks. A lot of water under the bridge with that group imo, and with the coaching turnover since 2004 I think it may have been difficult to maintain ties with that group of players or give them something to be proud of their Alma Mater about on the field. I think Babers will turn it around, but it may be too late for that generation. He's creating a different culture here now and the players that play for him will likely have a much more positive feeling about their experience 10 to 15 years from now. [/QUOTE]