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Message: [QUOTE="Scooch, post: 1536014, member: 628"] I think I was pretty unambiguous in my initial post that there are many exceptions to this data. I hope Shafer rips off 3 wins to close this season, wins a bowl, and has a long, successful career at SU. But what this data indicates to me (note: not proves, just indicates) is that the oft-repeated comment that a coach needs 4 or 5 years is not necessarily true. Lots of currently successful coaches had their programs pointing in the right direction by year 3 of their tenure. [/QUOTE]