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Message: [QUOTE="Timonen, post: 885880, member: 81"] With respect, he stunk at Michigan, he stunk at KC and he stunk at the end with the Broncos. We have to go back to the mid-90s for anything tangibly reflecting defensive success. If forced to choose whether he finally got his act together this year or whether 5-star recruits started playing more like 5-star recruits, I would take the latter since they've actually accomplished something in the last 20 years to make themselves 5-star recruits. PLUS, the elimination of Diaz could have been the impetus for success, as well. Maybe I'm alone (doubtful), but Grob hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt with me! [/QUOTE]