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Message: [QUOTE="NYCorange, post: 5557474, member: 4918"] I broadly agree with your second and third points. I think the hope is that Fran's leadership and recruiting can help make up for it and that eventually the program itself is in a better spot. Duke wasn't anything before Coach K, but it became something that was great even when he wasn't there. Obviously, that's a 1 in a million example, but I'm sure that's what we all hope for. I agree it's hard to say his system is great. I'm arguing the opposite though. We also can't say his system is bad IMO-- Collins has been that bad. If anything, I'm inclined to think his system is good, because I don't think Mccord was the best QB in the country, and I don't think Angeli is a top 5% QB, which is what his stats before injury were [/QUOTE]