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Message: [QUOTE="SoBeCuse, post: 2065404, member: 796"] True. Nobody should knock Kansas or Arizona's whole body of work with Self or Miller. There were a few years also where the Big 12 was loaded with Iowa St, Texas, Kansas St, Baylor, Oklahoma, OSU all solid. Kansas and Arizona also play BIG non-conference slates. Kansas especially. Put Arizona or Kansas in the ACC and they still do well. Upper 1/4 of the league and/or 4-5 losses, IMO. [/QUOTE]