ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[kcsu]

Viewership is falling, no one under 30 is using cable.
The ACC is fortunate to have its deal.
We are the last group in before the door closed

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Is that because the Pac cannot get a TV deal for more than 10 members? A San Diego without the NFL should be worth more than a Denver TV market team that is a nobody compared to the Broncos.

They have no fans. They only get about 25k per game and the stadium only holds 35k. They don't have a brand. The TV market is 30th, which isn't a big deal. So how do they increase the P10 TV package from where it is without them?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

My couch pulls out, but San Diego St doesn't.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[PhatOrange]

The big 12 today just added UCF, Cincy, Houston and BYU. Is this old news?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The big 12 today just added UCF, Cincy, Houston and BYU. Is this old news?

Announced a year ago.

 

[PhatOrange]

Announced a year ago.

Wow …now that’s funny.

 

[djorange1989]

They have no fans. They only get about 25k per game and the stadium only holds 35k. They don't have a brand. The TV market is 30th, which isn't a big deal. So how do they increase the P10 TV package from where it is without them?

It will be interesting to see how they draw going forward. They lost momentum playing in Irvine for a couple of years and the team was pretty blah and boring last year in the first year at their new stadium. Definitely more of a hoops school even with the success of football over the years

 

[Hoo's That]

Wow …now that’s funny.

July 1, 2023 was just the date their membership became official. The expansion was done in response to the loss of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC that will occur on July 1 of next year.

 

[Moontan]

July 1, 2023 was just the date their membership became official. The expansion was done in response to the loss of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC that will occur on July 1 of next year.

July 1, 2023 also marks the 10 year anniversary of Syracuse joining the ACC.

 

[Hokie Mark]

(do these twitter links still work anymore?)

 

[OrangeXtreme]

(do these twitter links still work anymore?)

Did you bring cake?

 

[TexanMark]

It will be interesting to see how they draw going forward. They lost momentum playing in Irvine for a couple of years and the team was pretty blah and boring last year in the first year at their new stadium. Definitely more of a hoops school even with the success of football over the years

I'm long on SDSU

You are the only FB team in San Diego so I expect they'll eventually get invited to the PAC1210

 

[Hokie Mark]

Did you bring cake?

Traditional Anniversary Gifts By Year
1st Anniversary: Paper
2nd Anniversary: Cotton
3rd Anniversary: Leather
4th Anniversary: Fruit or Flowers
5th Anniversary: Wood
6th Anniversary: Candy or Iron
7th Anniversary: Wool or Copper
8th Anniversary: Pottery or Bronze
9th Anniversary: Willow or Pottery
10th Anniversary: Tin or Aluminum

 

[djorange1989]

I'm long on SDSU

You are the only FB team in San Diego so I expect they'll eventually get invited to the PAC1210

Yeah they bailed on the PAC 10/12 for now because they missed the deadline to get out of the MWC at a much lower cost, that was 6-30 and the PAC media deal still isn’t done. Once it is and they get the official invite, they will re-bail at some point in the next year. They are a good/the only Southern California option

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

It's fascinating to me that the the two big conferences staked their claim and all the secondary conferences are sitting on their hands imagining that this one outsanding TV deal is going to save them.

Clemson or FSU WILL (not may...WILL) find a way to make a GOR challenge, and will probably succeed even if it expensive. And then the ACC will fall apart.

The PAC 12 WILL be raided again by the B1G and or the Big 12 and will fall apart.

And both are doing absolutely nothing to think outside the box to try to save themselves beside hope a new TV deal or an existing GOR saves the day.

Aggression wins, not passive hope and reliance on yesterdays lawyers being smarter than tomorrows.

 

[Hoo's That]

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Clemson or FSU WILL (not may...WILL) find a way to make a GOR challenge, and will probably succeed even if it expensive. And then the ACC will fall apart.

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So Clemson and FSU will succeed where Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA and their coterie of high-priced lawyer alumni all failed? If they leave, their freedom will come with a hefty price tag, be due to the disbandment of the ACC, or be after the GOR expires.

 

[CousCuse]

So Clemson and FSU will succeed where Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA and their coterie of high-priced lawyer alumni all failed?

They didn't fail, the cost benefit analysis pointed to it being financially prudent to wait a short period.

 

[Hoo's That]

They didn't fail, the cost benefit analysis pointed to it being financially prudent to wait a short period.

You've just made my point. The lawyers totally failed to break the GoR and didn't get them out for free as FreakTalks says Clemson and FSU will. Texas and Oklahoma paid a hefty exit fee for a year-early release and USC and UCLA are waiting until the Pac-12 GoR expires. Could Clemson and FSU leave? Sure they could, but at least at the same cost Texas and Oklahoma or USC and UCLA faced.

 

[oldpinepoint]

It's fascinating to me that the the two big conferences staked their claim and all the secondary conferences are sitting on their hands imagining that this one outsanding TV deal is going to save them.

Clemson or FSU WILL (not may...WILL) find a way to make a GOR challenge, and will probably succeed even if it expensive. And then the ACC will fall apart.

The PAC 12 WILL be raided again by the B1G and or the Big 12 and will fall apart.

And both are doing absolutely nothing to think outside the box to try to save themselves beside hope a new TV deal or an existing GOR saves the day.

Aggression wins, not passive hope and reliance on yesterdays lawyers being smarter than tomorrows.

So what ideas do you have that are outside the box? Bake sales and lemonade stands don’t count.

 

[CousCuse]

You've just made my point. The lawyers totally failed to break the GoR and didn't get them out for free as FreakTalks says Clemson and FSU will. Texas and Oklahoma paid a hefty exit fee for a year-early release and USC and UCLA are waiting until the Pac-12 GoR expires. Could those Clemson and FSU leave? Sure the could, but at least at the same cost Texas and Oklahoma or USC and UCLA faced.

If the difference in income for Clemson and FSU over the duration of the ACC GOR is $50 million a year that comes to $600 hundred million dollars +/-, in addition to the damage that those people feel it is doing to their program. Can the attorney's break a GOR, doubtful. Can the attorney's get it to be financially beneficial to get out of a GOR, I would think so.

 

[Hoo's That]

If the difference in income for Clemson and FSU over the duration of the ACC GOR is $50 million a year that comes to $600 hundred million dollars +/-, in addition to the damage that those people feel it is doing to their program. Can the attorney's break a GOR, doubtful. Can the attorney's get it to be financially beneficial to get out of a GOR, I would think so.

That's the point I'm trying to make. The attorneys can't break it. Paying a hefty exit fee is only possible if they have already secured a soft landing spot that will give them very large checks that will eventually help recoup their losses. Texas' and Oklahoma's paying a hefty exit fee and USC's and UCLA's waiting for the expiration are concessions that the GoRs can't be broken for just the costs of going to court, which has long been a contention by many.

 

[TheCusian]

The question is where are FSU and Clemson going? Don’t fit in the B1G and have SEC teams in their own states that will be problematic.

The best thing for the ACC would be to kick some rear in recruiting/portal and challenge the two big contenders year in and year out for the next 5 years. Allow ESPN to bleed out and leverage itself for a post-cable future

 

[HtownOrange]

If the difference in income for Clemson and FSU over the duration of the ACC GOR is $50 million a year that comes to $600 hundred million dollars +/-, in addition to the damage that those people feel it is doing to their program. Can the attorney's break a GOR, doubtful. Can the attorney's get it to be financially beneficial to get out of a GOR, I would think so.

If FSU and Clemson pay in excess of $1 Billion to buy back their rights and make $600 Million, isn’t that still a $400+ Million loss?

That is Rutgers level stupid to lose $35-$50 Million annually for 12 years. Why not make $50 Million for 12 tears and wait out the GOR.

And what Hoo has politely left out is that OU an UT got a “good” deal because it was convenient for the conference. Considering the talking heads on the interwebs believe most of the ACC will not land well, it is reasonable to assume that the remaining ACC teams will not be generous.

And we haven’t considered ESPN’s perspective. What makes them want to pay FSU and Clemson that much more than they are already obligated to pay them?

 

[WoadBlue]

If FSU and Clemson pay in excess of $1 Billion to buy back their rights and make $600 Million, isn’t that still a $400+ Million loss?

That is Rutgers level stupid to lose $35-$50 Million annually for 12 years. Why not make $50 Million for 12 tears and wait out the GOR.

And what Hoo has politely left out is that OU an UT got a “good” deal because it was convenient for the conference. Considering the talking heads on the interwebs believe most of the ACC will not land well, it is reasonable to assume that the remaining ACC teams will not be generous.

And we haven’t considered ESPN’s perspective. What makes them want to pay FSU and Clemson that much more than they are already obligated to pay them?

Well, there are SEC people who assume that FSU and Clemson belong in the SEC, m so that mens it must happen.

Here is the funny stuff, especially when you think of all the whiney FSU people. When the ACC swooped into Tallahassee and signed up FSU, which was right after the SEC had told FSU its 12th slot was FSU's for the taking, the ACC case was 3 part: 1) that in the ACC, FSU football would be king for a while and that that would lead to FSU finally winning a National Championship, 2) that ACC ,membership would raise the level of the entire FSU athletics department so that it would be nationally competitive in many sports beyond football and baseball, and 3) that ACC membership would mean that FSU's academic reputation would grow steadily until such time as the school would be able to get an AAU invite.

Obviously the first two have come true, and sodas the 3rd. FSU clearly was very close this past time to getting the AAU invite. That would not be the case if FSU had joined the SEC.