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AJ Long to Wagner

maxxyz said:
This has been answered before. The SU concussion policy is to protect the school from future litigation. They have a quantitative procedure which they have been following rigorously. They don't need a specialist to administrate the policy as written.

Ask ten specialists for a diagnosis and you will get many different answers. The current policy limits the schools liability to a much greater extent. Someone at SU is predicting there will be a wave of concussion lawsuits in the NCAA in the future and they are being proactive.
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Yeah I get that they have a policy. It's CYA at all costs. I'm glad we have Nostradamus on the BoT.
 
Pyle said:
If you feel you need to question the diagnosis of experts in the field then by all means...My entire point is simply that we shouldn't be DQ'ing athletes without the opinion of experts in the field. Leaving it up to a first year team doc who practices family medicine is what I have a problem with.
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My point is:

Team doc that sees him every day including on the day of the injury >> Specialist who sees them a half year from the incident

And that there may be very good reasons why we do what we do that are not assessed clearly from our very limited vantage point.

I do agree that it should be protocol for the team doc to take that info and patient to a specialist prior to them being booted. More opinions are better.

I'm sure it all gets tricky with insurance.
 
Pyle said:
Or we could just send them to a concussion center after initial diagnosis for further evaluation.
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I think that removing the player from school, team activities, etc after every incident is prohibitive.
 
TheCusian said:
I think that removing the player from school, team activities, etc after every incident is prohibitive.
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I hadn't thought of that and you make a good point. I'm also glad you agree that we need more opinions than just the team doc though. That's really my beef.
 
Pyle said:
He was cleared by the Jefferson Concussion Center to play football again, they are concussion experts who deal with these injuries everyday. As for the projection question, how do we know that 1 major hit won't cause brain damage later in life, how do we know Dungey won't have brain damage? We don't.
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Yea I know all that. What are they "clearing"? That he doesn't have a concussion currently? That he's never had one? That he's never had 3?
 
Pyle said:
If you feel you need to question the diagnosis of experts in the field then by all means.....My entire point is simply that we shouldn't be DQ'ing athletes without the opinion of experts in the field. Leaving it up to a first year team doc who practices family medicine is what I have a problem with.
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You down play this doctor. There's a concussion protocol that a doctor can learn and become an expert in.
 
Pyle said:
I hadn't thought of that and you make a good point. I'm also glad you agree that we need more opinions than just the team doc though. That's really my beef.
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Do we know that no other doctor has ever played a role in these evaluations? Isn't getting a 2nd opinion pretty much a matter of course for all medical issues these days?
 
Scooch said:
Do we know that no other doctor has ever played a role in these evaluations? Isn't getting a 2nd opinion pretty much a matter of course for all medical issues these days?
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Don't really know anything do we? Did they? Didn't they? I just wish we did know. Fact is AJ bled Orange from day 1 and it would make me feel alot better about killing the kids dreams to know that we didn't just rely on the advice of our team family doctor. But here's some other facts I don't deny, we won't probably ever know due to hipaa and stuff, another fact is the university, I'm pretty confident, doesn't care about making me feel better and I get that. I don't expect the policy to change but I don't like it. I get where you guys(Bees, Bnoro, Cusian, etc included) are coming from. In this day of head injuries, extra care needs to be taken, I don't deny that either. I'll say it one last time though, a family doctor is good at alot of things but an expert in nothing, they don't have the time to devote to it the way a specialist does. If you're spending your time treating strep, pneumonia, flu, and sprains then you're not focusing all of your time on head injuries they way a specialist does. There is qualified, and then there is expertise. Pretty sure this horse is dead now, and I respect all of your opinions, I simply do not agree with them.
 
Pyle said:
Pretty sure this horse is dead now, and I respect all of your opinions, I simply do not agree with them.
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Fair enough...
 
Pyle said:
Don't really know anything do we? Did they? Didn't they? I just wish we did know. Fact is AJ bled Orange from day 1 and it would make me feel alot better about killing the kids dreams to know that we didn't just rely on the advice of our team family doctor. But here's some other facts I don't deny, we won't probably ever know due to hipaa and stuff, another fact is the university, I'm pretty confident, doesn't care about making me feel better and I get that. I don't expect the policy to change but I don't like it. I get where you guys(Bees, Bnoro, Cusian, etc included) are coming from. In this day of head injuries, extra care needs to be taken, I don't deny that either. I'll say it one last time though, a family doctor is good at alot of things but an expert in nothing, they don't have the time to devote to it the way a specialist does. If you're spending your time treating strep, pneumonia, flu, and sprains then you're not focusing all of your time on head injuries they way a specialist does. There is qualified, and then there is expertise. Pretty sure this horse is dead now, and I respect all of your opinions, I simply do not agree with them.
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All I'm saying is that since we don't know the full extent of what the process is, perhaps we shouldn't crucify SU about the process.
 
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rrlbees said:
You down play this doctor. There's a concussion protocol that a doctor can learn and become an expert in.
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Pyle said:
Don't really know anything do we? Did they? Didn't they? I just wish we did know. Fact is AJ bled Orange from day 1 and it would make me feel alot better about killing the kids dreams to know that we didn't just rely on the advice of our team family doctor. But here's some other facts I don't deny, we won't probably ever know due to hipaa and stuff, another fact is the university, I'm pretty confident, doesn't care about making me feel better and I get that. I don't expect the policy to change but I don't like it. I get where you guys(Bees, Bnoro, Cusian, etc included) are coming from. In this day of head injuries, extra care needs to be taken, I don't deny that either. I'll say it one last time though, a family doctor is good at alot of things but an expert in nothing, they don't have the time to devote to it the way a specialist does. If you're spending your time treating strep, pneumonia, flu, and sprains then you're not focusing all of your time on head injuries they way a specialist does. There is qualified, and then there is expertise. Pretty sure this horse is dead now, and I respect all of your opinions, I simply do not agree with them.
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This is 100% correct A family physician should not be evaluating head injuries. They simply don't have the training or expertise. I gaurantee you that this Dr is very likely just as concerned about his own ass as he is the players best interest.
 
I don't know if this was common knowledge, but apparently AJ Long has transferred again, this time to West Chester U.
 
Frozen said:
I don't know if this was common knowledge, but apparently AJ Long has transferred again, this time to West Chester U.
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Yikes...this dude got humbled quickly
 
anglerman said:
This is 100% correct A family physician should not be evaluating head injuries. They simply don't have the training or expertise. I gaurantee you that this Dr is very likely just as concerned about his own ass as he is the players best interest.
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How about genetic disorders? ;)
 
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