At UNC. ACC refs

[Cuse181]

With that late hit call that screwed us?

Guess we’ll just ignore only scoring 7 points off 4 turnovers in favor of 1 late hit call. On a play where there was no chance for a first down, and the defender easily could’ve just not lowered their shoulder mind you. I’m sorry, that’s not an unfair call, that’s just undisciplined play. At worst it’s iffy, an iffy play that didn’t need to be made. Clemson didn’t have a play like that go uncalled so we’re just assuming that the refs would only call it on Syracuse.

 

[OrangeDW]

So what? They think Syracuse is a scrub football school that means calls go against the school? Does that mean that when Syracuse plays BC they get beneficial calls? How about versus Wake? Or Western Michigan?

Syracuse and BC and Wake are all on the same level in most people’s minds.

Western Michigan….I don’t know, probably.

Fight the power against the message board though, against the grain guy! Extra cookies for you!

 

[sufandu]

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Watch the play in slow motion. Shrader's head is up on impact and snaps down into the defender's helmet. It was a hard jarring clean hit. If anyone of our guys made it, we'd call it legendary and reference it 10 years from now... and ACC refs would screw us by calling it targeting when it wasn't.

 

[Cuse181]

Targeting Shrader on the opening freaking drive was Clemson putting themselves in a bad situation, but it’s all good so long as the zebras are good ole boys.

But it wasn’t targeting. Syracuse got away with a “targeting” call too. No one’s bitching about that.

 

[OrangeDW]

Watch the play in slow motion. Shrader's head is up on impact and snaps down into the defenser's helmet. It was a hard jarring clean hit. If anyone of our guys made it, we'd call it legendary and reference it 10 years from now... and ACC refs would screw us by calling it targeting when it wasn't.

If Syracuse made the hit…..clean on the field. Upon review, a penalty, ejection, possible criminal charges, and Clemson keeps the ball.

If Clemson made the hit….flag on the field as cover, pick up the penalty, an under the radar fist pump and yeeeee haaaaw, and Clemson gets the ball. Off camera, grits were consumed and salt potatoes were dumped in the garbage.

 

[Orangeman]

That seems pretty hard to overturn the call on the field

Agendas

 

[Cuse181]

Syracuse and BC and Wake are all on the same level in most people’s minds.

Western Michigan….I don’t know, probably.

Fight the power against the message board though, against the grain guy! Extra cookies for you! 1989! A number! Another summer! Sound of the funky drummer!

You’re in the refs minds now? You know who they view as above and below a certain level of performance?

That’s incredible. Please tell me more about how they think and how refs from the north east working for the ACC have a hidden agenda against Northeastern schools.

 

[Cuse181]

Intelligent people recognize the history of inconsistent officiating in Syracuse's matchups versus Clemson and apply that logic, perhaps inappropriately, due to past experience to 50/50 calls.

Are they 50/50 calls? If we go back and watch those games as a neutral observer are we actually claiming that hit on Klubnik last year is a “50/50” call, or a 90/10 call when fandom adds 40 points.

 

[Orijinal]

But it wasn’t targeting. Syracuse got away with a “targeting” call too. No one’s bitching about that.

You are pretty irate. Are you a referee?

 

[OrangeDW]

You’re in the refs minds now? You know who they view as above and below a certain level of performance?

That’s incredible. Please tell me more about how they think and how refs from the north east working for the ACC have a hidden agenda against Northeastern schools.

 

[orangefog]

Are they 50/50 calls? If we go back and watch those games as a neutral observer are we actually claiming that hit on Klubnick last year is a “50/50” call, or a 90/10 call when fandom adds 40 points.

The calls I am thinking are 50/50. Well, let's put it this way. When it is called one way in the same game and then called differently in a less egregious play later in the game, I don't even think that is 50/50. We made mistakes to lose this game on Saturday. But, in previous games against Clemson, we have beaten them and a few calls made the difference. And, those calls seemed suspiciously always go in one way.

 

[Cuse181]

You are pretty irate. Are you a referee?

It’s just dumb that’s all. Like I said earlier, EVERY team thinks their opponent gets “all the calls” when their team loses. Go to any other fan board. You want to claim the refs stink, fine! ACC refs are bad, but to claim they’re biased against Syracuse reeks of sour grapes

 

[Cuse181]

The calls I am thinking are 50/50. Well, let's put it this way. When it is called one way in the same game and then called differently in a less egregious play later in the game, I don't even think that is 50/50. We made mistakes to lose this game on Saturday. But, in previous games against Clemson, we have beaten them and a few calls made the difference. And, those calls seemed suspiciously always go in one way.

What are those calls that have occurred on both sides with only 1 getting a call? 1 or 2 examples would be great.

And please explain to me WHY the calls would go one way. What does the ACC gain from it? And how has this bias gone years without being discovered? Journalists all over the country looking for the next scoop and yet not a single one has uncovered this coordinated effort to screw over Syracuse football?

 

[orangefog]

What are those calls that have occurred on both sides with only 1 getting a call? 1 or 2 examples would be great.

And please explain to me WHY the calls would go one way. What does the ACC gain from it? And how has this bias gone years without being discovered? Journalists all over the country looking for the next scoop and yet not a single one has uncovered this coordinated effort to screw over Syracuse football?

This is a pointless argument, clearly. But, the most egregious example is last year with the late hit calls. Shrader was clearly HIT out of bounds and no call. Syracuse "escorted" a player out of bounds as taught due to previous issues with such calls and it was called. It changed the game. But, I am done with this discussion. It is fruitless and time is too precious to waste on fruitless endeavors.

 

[OrangeDW]

What are those calls that have occurred on both sides with only 1 getting a call? 1 or 2 examples would be great.

And please explain to me WHY the calls would go one way. What does the ACC gain from it? And how has this bias gone years without being discovered? Journalists all over the country looking for the next scoop and yet not a single one has uncovered this coordinated effort to screw over Syracuse football?

You don’t actually understand what “bias” means huh?

You read bias and think “deeply coordinated screwjob” like it’s Montreal Survivor Series ‘97, huh?

 

[Franz69]

This will be me tomorrow at approximately 3:31pm

 

[OrgTruckPat]

If Syracuse made the hit…..clean on the field. Upon review, a penalty, ejection, possible criminal charges, and Clemson keeps the ball.

If Clemson made the hit….flag on the field as cover, pick up the penalty, an under the radar fist pump and yeeeee haaaaw, and Clemson gets the ball. Off camera, grits were consumed and salt potatoes were dumped in the garbage.

Youre not entirely wrong lol

 

[OrgTruckPat]

At some point the mounting evidence becomes overwhelming. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but the southern bias appears to be very real. It’s to the point where you can count on it.

There is absolutely a bias. You can absolutely count on it. I know you're not a hoops guy David, its very real there too, as many here can attest

 

[orangemass]

Paging Ben Dover. Is Ben Dover in the house?

 

[sufandu]

Here's what I don't get. About half of the teams in the conference aren't traditional ACC teams. How can we not get some refs that are from other areas that have a little bias for the newer schools? Why does every ref seem to have a southern accent? Does nobody in the northeast ref football?

 

[orange79]

Am I too late to say "Oh, FFS" to this entire thread?

 

[Cusefan69]

With that late hit call that screwed us?

And the late hit call they ate the whistle on.

 

[TheHaze315]

I have to agree with David. Game-turning calls have been made against Cuse, especially when they play Clemson. That hit, even if it did catch the shoulder, was a glancing hit on the chin as well ...with crown of the helmet.

And we should know from history that you don't have to hit an offensive player on the helmet for a targeting call to occur. See Mikel Jones ejection last year where he hit the guy on the hip.

And then, last season against Clemson, we have the bogus "hitting the QB out of bounds" when the QB was clearly still turned upfield to make a play ...turned the whole game upside down ...and then a late hit out of bounds happened later in the game against a Cuse player and it wasn't called

I'm not saying Dino and team are not accountable for the number of bone-headed penalties they make, but Cuse has been victimized by the refs in the recent past and are expected to continue to play through it and hope for the best

Or the BLATANT not called hold down in FSU 2 years ago that gave FSU the win. You could see the jersey get pulled on live TV as Jordan Travis cut around the edge and the umpire did nothing, FSU wins 33-30. Nobody can convince me southern bias isn’t real.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I’ve done this before and I won’t do this again. These refs are from all over the country. This isn’t the Waffle House rebellion.

Are there bios posted for league officials? How else do you know this?

 

[Bayside44]

Are there bios posted for league officials? How else do you know this?

www.google.com

And dig from there.