I think the SUAD would have been much better served if Buzz Shaw & Jake Crouthamel would have left 10 years before they did.
That quote, while being extremely inflammatory to the fan base, was taken out of context. If you read the entire quote, given it’s context at the time, was not unreasonable.
But it was a headline writer’s wet dream.
yep, still stupid thoughThat quote, while being extremely inflammatory to the fan base, was taken out of context. If you read the entire quote, given it’s context at the time, was not unreasonable.
But it was a headline writer’s wet dream.
I cannot even find a story about this incident
That quote, while being extremely inflammatory to the fan base, was taken out of context. If you read the entire quote, given it’s context at the time, was not unreasonable.
But it was a headline writer’s wet dream.
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Nice find.
On one hand it's amazing that that could've happened under 365 days after SU was playing Miami for the Big East title at the Dome. Totally unreasonable of the fanbase. Shaw was right.
On the other, I'd forgotten that the first Rutgers loss and 62-0 and the close BC loss after the Sadie's Place stabbing all happened in the same year. It really felt like an all-time low point at the time. Little did we know...
Some greater context is needed here. Looking at this from today's lens of where the program is then, yes, it looks as you note. But looking at it from the context of where the program was then and couldve been, on the cusp of really great things, then no he was wrong and they should've made a move sooner as the past history of what happened did show (ultimately, as a truly historic and exceptional player in Freeney created an aberrant year before the permanent slide), and as noted elsewhere they then made the worst hire in history.To expand on this a little, I think we look back and see that the slide had begun. But on this date in 1999, SU was rebuilding after losing their best offensive skill players but was bowl-bound, 6-4, and had lost to #6 and #4. Their coach was 64-28 (0.700). And people wanted to fire him.
Again, Shaw was right.
Wasn't this at the same time they changed Orangemen to just Orange, then they spray painted "men" out of Orangemen?
Some greater context is needed here. Looking at this from today's lens of where the program is then, yes, it looks as you note. But looking at it from the context of where the program was then and couldve been, on the cusp of really great things, then no he was wrong and they should've made a move sooner and as noted elsewhere they then made the worst hire in history.
Today I'd clamor and shut up for the success P had, but not then. Unfortunately the window of opportunity was lost, likely forever. But Re Shaw he was wrong then to say what he said despite the somewhat accurate overall context. Bad Pr move, bad business decision to use that language
We were scheduled for a complete turf replacement in a few years. Didn't make sense to buy 1-2 new rolls of turf just to change one end zone for a few seasons.
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Wow, I remember that end zone look...so tacky. I believe, if I recall correctly, it was Jake back then also stating how they couldn't install the up & coming rage at the time (Field Turf) due to the Dome's specific logistics, or along those lines. Just another myopic view from the athletic department at the time.
That was 2004.Wasn't this at the same time they changed Orangemen to just Orange, then they spray painted "men" out of Orangemen?
I've never heard of this or don't remember it. What's the story?...and the close BC loss after the Sadie's Place stabbing all happened in the same year.
I think Jake also did not want to give up the indoor track in the dome. People don't care for him, but it was AD Gross who pulled the trigger on the turf upgrade.Installing Field Turf meant purchasing all those plastic trays that get placed down over the turf during basketball season.
Jake did all the research on the tray system, but didn't have the money in the budget (and Shaw wouldn't give him the money).
Chancy Nancy opened up the checkbook when she arrived, and the Field Turf came in 2005.
One of our starting DB’s got stabbed at some after hours club. If I remember correctlyI've never heard of this or don't remember it. What's the story?
I've never heard of this or don't remember it. What's the story?