Kidd joining Knicks

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  1. cto

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    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...-guard-jason-kidd-agrees-deal-new-york-knicks

    I'm a big Jason Kidd fan, and I think this would be a great move for the Knicks. I like Kidd's comment about wanting to mentor Jeremy Lin.

    I know someone will make the obligatory response here citing a long-ago unfortunate incident regarding Kidd. However, as one who got to know Jason at the 2008 Olympics, I think he would be a steadying influence for both the Knicks and Jeremy. He was without question the team leader and best-liked player on the 2008 Olympic team.

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  2. dasher

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    CTO, we call "that" a long ago unfortunate incident now? Sorry. I don't.
  3. cto

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    I know the guy, and you don't. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Everyone is also entitled to a chance at redemption.
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  4. CuseFaninVT

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    I'm in the dark about this incident. Details?
  5. dasher

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    Dick Ebersol said the same exact thing about O.J. No kidding. The topic of the post wasn't about redemption. Rather, is seemed that anyone who thought less of this bully, was somehow wrong. I'm very happy he was nice to you. A lot of bad guys are nice to some people. I wouldn't root for the guy. But that's just me. And you are right, I don't know him. But you know who I do know, woman that have been abused by bullies.
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  6. Bayside44

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    You know jersey chasers who married multi-million dollar athletes?
  7. MyMeloMyMan

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    If CTO knows him...he couldn't be bad. Gonna be a great mentor for Lin and Melo.
  8. PeteCalvin

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    I met Jason almost three years ago when he spent time with a friend of mine who was suffering from inoperable brain cancer. He is a good guy and was gracious and humble with all of us. Everyone F's up in life, and everyone has a choice to be accountable and better themselves. Jason seems to be someone who learned from his lack of judgment and is a better person for it.

    It'll be fun to see him in NYC.
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  9. Zelda Zonk

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    This is a retread of a common theme. If you're a 'friend' of CTO, your sins are absolved. If not, well, then you're subject to objective assessment of your misdeeds and transgressions. That's how a good president rolls out the final days of his term. Pardoning his cronies and ignoring the rabble.

    That said, i think he'll have a positive effect on the team, and on Carmelo. I just hope they keep Lin, because Kidd isn't going to play that many minutes.
  10. cto

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    Wow. What did I ever do to you? I happen to know Jason Kidd, and I happen to genuinely like him. If I were not such a techno-klutz, the picture I tried to include in my original post might have worked (It was a picture of me and him, with me wearing his Gold Medal in Beijing). I've had an amazing and blessed life, and I have been fortunate to know a lot of people. I generally hesitate to share stories here, because I am always afraid of getting a reaction like yours. That is why I did not post, for example, that I sat next to Bill Clinton at the Big East Tourney and next to Joe Biden at one of the NCAA games in Pittsburgh. Maybe I should just continue not posting stuff like that.
  11. jdubs30

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    C'mon CTO, don't let to that clown get to you. The board regulars here love you and all the stuff you share. I personally love reading your posts because you get to go and see things that 99% of us will never see involving Syracuse basketball. You make this board better.
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  12. Rocco

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    4 poll choices for you sir:

    a.) you had a shitty 4th
    b.) you are drunk
    c.) you are somehow, some freaking way a GTown fan
    d.) you are Mark Schwartz
  13. Rossco123

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    Agree with your entire post. She tries to share good things and you get internet a**holes like zonk that get their rocks off banging the the keyboard in the bathroom!
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  15. albanycuse

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    I dont know jason kidd and will probably never meet him but if 50 people told me they had bad experiences with him , id still give him a chance to get to know him. Most of the time people take other peoples words about people they dont like and go with it, im not one of them.
  16. docsu

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    Wikipedia:

    In January 2001, Jason Kidd was arrested and pleaded guilty to a domestic abuse charge for assaulting his wife Joumana in anger. As part of his plea, Kidd was ordered to attend anger management classes for six months. Kidd completed the mandatory counseling and continued to attend on his own, and it was reported that Kidd had given up alcohol. He and his wife were both active in their church and were thought to have completely reconciled. On January 9, 2007, Jason Kidd filed for divorce against his wife, citing "extreme cruelty" during their relationship. Kidd contended intense jealousy, paranoia, and the threat of "false domestic abuse claims" to the police as reasons for the divorce. On February 15, 2007 Joumana Kidd filed a counterclaim for divorce,[25] claiming that the NBA star—among countless instances of abuse—"broke her rib and damaged her hearing by smashing her head into the console of a car". The couple have three children (Trey Jason (T.J.), and twins Miah and Jazelle).[26]
  17. br801

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    This isn't about "people taking other people's words about people they don't like." It's about how people today view certain things that happened during an earlier period of Kidd's life. And we're all entitled to have our own opinions on the subject.
  18. longislandcuse

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    Im certainly glad im not in the public eye because I am a completely different person than I was 10 years ago. Im thankful that I can make mistakes and change without people holding it over me for the rest of my life.
  19. Knicks411

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    I do hear that, but i think there are some things that maybe should stick with you forever. If he really did hit his wife; well; I dunno about that.

    Edit: I'd also add to that; I don't know how old you are; but aside from my original point, there is a difference in maturing 10 years between say the ages of 18 and 28 (which is how old I am), and 28 and 38 (Kidd's age).
  20. CuseFaninVT

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    Thank you. I guess when I read the first few posts it seemed like there was more of a connection to SU somewhere in there.

    Sounds like these two had a seriously messed up relationship that included Jason making some really bad choices. But sometimes couples are like that. If he did those things that she alleged, then he should have been made to pay more than he did.
  21. longislandcuse

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    So is that the "unforgivable sin"? He can never change? Hes still a woman beating monster? It is NEVER right to hit a woman but im not going to try to act like I know what went on in their relationship and he got counseling, seems to be a decent guy nowadays and it was 10 years ago. If what I heard is correct she wasnt exactly a saint...

    People hate Chris Brown because of the Rihanna situation and he should have never hit her, that is indefensible but according to anyone who is close to the two parties, Rihanna cheated on him and as a result gave him "the gift that keeps on giving". You never know what is going on in these situations.

    Again, im ABSOLUTELY not defending laying a hand on a woman but if you dont know what truly went on and are so perfect in your own right that you always hold an incident over someone then I suggest you read Matthew 7-3.
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  22. 44PRIDE

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    Bad (desperate) move for the Knicks. JKidd is just old. Why don't the Knicks go out and see if Walt Frazier is still available?
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    I don't know exactly what happened, didn't say it was an unforgivable sin. I do think there are some things that absolutely are unforgivable. I'd say being a habitual woman beater probably is one of those. (Murder, rape, molestation; I'm not trying to take this thread in a different direction but I will say I do find those things unforgivable). But there is a difference between doing something once in the heat of the moment and having a history of doing it. I don't know what happened, you don't know what happened, but it definitely gives me some pause and is something I think about. That's all.
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  24. longislandcuse

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    What I said wasnt necessarily directed at you but more to the overall tone of this thread. I believe in forgiveness and the idea that people can and do change. If public perception never allows you to change who you used to be or mistakes you made, then imo that is a bad reflection on our society.
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    Ok, I follow, and I do in general absolutely believe what you are saying.

    Can we get back to the Knciks then? Why would Houston make that last year a team option for Lin>
  26. MyMeloMyMan

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    Now lets imagine Lebron had Jason Kidd's unfortunate incident years ago... I imagine this board would not be as forgiving. Just a hunch...
  27. longislandcuse

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    No idea but that is a great deal for NY. First year and second year are a bargain, third year it escalates to 9.2 mil (?) which we will probably just eat the luxury tax penalty and 4th year, team option we can probably move salary around to make it work if hes the real deal, also makes Lin a trade piece in third year as an expiring contract just in case. Kidd will be a terrific mentor for Lin and a solid, talented backup. I feel alot more confident going into Miami with Lin/Kidd and Kidd being in Lin's ear during the game. Plus Kidd wont be able to pull Lin's hair again ;)

    Also, dont know if you heard this too...Amare apparantly has a early termination clause in his contract after this year. I dont know for sure but ive heard it mentioned a few times now. Give it a shot this year, if it doesnt work again, peace out Amare and then the Lin contract is easily affordable.
  28. longislandcuse

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    I dont think LBJ is a horrible person. Its a sports thing. As a Knicks fan I have to hate him even though he is an unreal basketball player. Do I really hate him...no, not at all.

    I never liked Vick for turning us down for Va Tech. Im a huge pitbull advocate so you can imagine how I felt about what he did and I didnt like him to begin with. However, he seems to have changed and ill give him the benefit of the doubt, so much so that I was all for Buffalo (my NFL team) signing him, until Goodell shadily stopped that from happening.
  29. Knicks411

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    I'm pretty sure the ETO is for the player.
  30. longislandcuse

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    I think Isola wrote a piece that says the Knicks have an early termination clause for both Amare and Melo?
  31. Knicks411

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    I don't think that is right. It's a player option, unless there is something new. Howard waived his ETO last year, Melo was going to exercise his, that was why Denver traded him.

    Would love to be wrong on this, of course
  32. Orangezoo

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    its truly amazing how quickly we judge based upon a simple stereotype to the point we make it impossible for us to see things clearly. let me preface this by saying abuse is horrible and deserves punishment, and often men are more likely to commit abuse than women.

    as a kid i was abused by my mother who was an alcoholic. she financially defrauded my dad, cheated on him and got kicks from throwing hard objects at my head. my dad one time put a hand on her in an argument , upset over what had become. it was simply a shove that resuted in a chain reaction fall that broke her rib.. divorce and a court date followed. the abuse i dealt with was more often verbal but physical as well. she deserved what she got and today is a model citizen who i have a good relationship with. i was happy her abuse wasnt turned into the police as it was something she overcame.

    if you cant get what i am trying to say here you never will understand why kidd should be given an opportunity to be viewed objectively vs immediately villified. let me add i dont like sharing such stories but seeing the ignorance on such matters is upsetting. abuse happens many different ways and is often an unintended consequence of other correctable issues.
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  33. longislandcuse

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    Thanks for sharing. Your story is much more powerful than my Rihanna/Chris Brown story and does what I was trying to do, which is point out how much could be involved that we dont know about. Cliches such as "you should never hit a woman" are true, but they shouldnt be held as blanket statements that define a mans life, especially when noone here knows the back story and goes on to ignore the perceived change in that man since the incident.
  34. cuseincincy

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    I've never been a Kidd fan but he should be able to help the Knicks. He no longer feels the need to be a primary scoring option which I always thought he was poor at. He is a great distributor and one of the best passers I've ever seen. Melo and 'Mare better keep their heads on a swivel or they'll catch a would be assist off the side of their head! I'dve obviously preferred Nash but Kidd and Lin should be fine. Hope they keep Douglas around too. Shump is going to be the key to the Knicks this year. I just hope Melo doesn't have to spend as much time going 1 on 5 as he did last year, or jacking as many 3's either.
  35. longislandcuse

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    Not to get sidetracked here but I have to say, I dont think women these days are like women of my parents generation and definately not like that of my grandparents generation. If im wrong someone correct me, but I am 29 and have been around girls like the type that go after NBA players, rap stars, dance in videos and act like "modeling" is posing half naked next to a Phantom while making it rain. Maybe its the type of girls ive been around, but even normal girls nowadays are acting like dudes. They sleep around, spit game, talk , start fights, love drama and are pretty hard to have respect for. I say this because of some of the actions ive heard J Kidd's wife at the time involved in. You have to be careful who you fall for these days...this has probably always been true but where it seemed guys were the ones acting like dogs, now women are too.

    This obviously doesnt mean hitting a woman is right, but the landscape of how women conduct themselves is changing drastically.

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