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By Paul SchwedelsonAsst. copy editor
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Scott Shafer called it a formula that comes down to numbers and timing.

The Orange’s coaching staff has a desired number of players it wants at each position within the 85-scholarship allotment. Once they reach that for each recruiting class, the opportunity for other players essentially closes — even if they have a scholarship offer.

Offering more scholarships than spots available is a necessity, but also problematic.

“A lot of those kids will say no to us and there are instances where we have to say no to them as well,” Syracuse head coach Shafer said.

As big-time recruits have started verbally committing as sophomores and juniors, Shafer said SU’s coaching staff added a prerequisite this year. In order to further evaluate prospects, it wouldn’t accept a commitment unless a player visited campus first, barring extenuating circumstances.

But by implementing that rule, Syracuse has temporarily turned down players that already received scholarship offers.

“When you see his film and it says he’s 6-foot-5 and you see him in person he’s at 6-foot-1,” SU’s director of recruiting operations Eric White said of a hypothetical situation, “… Now we don’t know if we can take someone at his position that doesn’t hit the criteria that we wanted.”


In June, Class of 2016 offensive tackle Sam Heckel planned on committing to Northwestern. But just four days earlier, the Wildcats received a verbal from another offensive lineman.

All of a sudden, Heckel didn’t have a spot.

“Most schools just care about the player, not the person,” Heckel said.

When Heckel visited Syracuse a couple weeks following the Northwestern situation transpired, he received a scholarship offer and guards and centers coach Joe Adam told him that SU only had one spot left at the position. Fearing that he would lose another opportunity, Heckel chose the Orange two days later.

If another offensive lineman had committed to Syracuse before Heckel, he wouldn’t have a spot on the team.


After Class of 2016 wide receiver KJ Gray committed to Boston College in June, it was reported by Syracuse.com that he was told two months earlier that SU didn’t have any more spots left at his position. Sadiq Palmer was the second Class of 2016 player to choose the Orange and is the only wide receiver in the class.

Gray declined to comment for this story.

“We try to avoid (uncommittable offers) if we can,” White said. “But a lot of times what will happen is … this kid committed to us and now we’re full and we can’t take the other kid. But we try to be upfront with the kid as much as we can (beforehand) and just tell them, ‘Hey, we have two spots left at this position.’”

By adding in the mandatory pre-commitment visit, Syracuse’s coaches get a better picture of whom they’re recruiting. They can actually shake the recruit’s hand instead of exchanging direct messages on Twitter. They can look them in the eye instead of looking at their avatar photo.

In late July, Osceola (Florida) High School defensive back Devon Clarke tweeted that he was committing to Syracuse. He had an offer from SU, but didn’t talk to the coaches before sending the tweet. He didn’t know the Orange’s rules.

Clarke, a Class of 2016 player, hadn’t visited Syracuse yet, so the coaches didn’t accept his commitment.

The next day, Clarke tweeted, “(Shaking my head) thought the big orange was the place.”

But after speaking with tight ends coach Jake Moreland, Clarke learned that he needed to visit SU first. He’s now setting up a visit to SU at some point this fall.

“‘I don’t know where I want to go anymore because I really wanted to go to Syracuse,’” Clarke recalled thinking. “But then they said, ‘We still want you. We just want you to come visit our campus.’ … I was like ‘alright, that’s fine.’”

Once Clarke visits campus, the coaching staff will get a better sense of how he might fit in with the team. Or, perhaps the coaches will realize that he wouldn’t be a good fit.

That’s what happened to Class of 2016 Colonia (New Jersey) High School outside linebacker Solomon Manning. After attending Syracuse’s prospect camp in June, Manning was hoping to make a decision a few days later so he could wrap up his recruitment and start to focus on his senior year of high school.

Manning’s top three choices were SU, Rutgers and North Carolina. But on his ride home from Syracuse, wide receivers coach Bobby Acosta contacted him and said he wouldn’t be able to commit to SU until midway through the season. The decision to make the offer uncommittable was Shafer’s, Manning said. Acosta told Manning that Shafer thought he was stiff in the hips.

“If you give someone an offer and they can’t commit to it, it’s like giving someone a car and they can’t drive it,” Manning said.

Over the next few months, Manning would have to improve his flexibility for his offer to be back in tact. But he wanted to commit over the summer, so he ruled out the Orange and committed to Rutgers.

In the next two weeks, two outside linebackers verbally committed to the Orange. While it’s unknown how many OLB spots remain, it’s two fewer spots than were available when Manning committed to Rutgers.

“If I knew it wouldn’t be committable until the season, I didn’t want to take that chance waiting on them and then never making an offer because they would have other spots fill up,” he said.

Managing who can and can’t commit is tough, White said. Once SU hits the desired number, it won’t take another player at that position unless their talent is off the charts. Regardless of how strong a relationship is with a player, the Orange sticks to Shafer’s formula.

SU follows a structure similar to most schools, Shafer and White both said. And despite recognizing its flaws, Syracuse carries on with it.

“When spots are gone, they’re gone, for the most part,” White said. “It’s a bad deal, but it’s kind of how the business works.”
 
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Recruiting is like negotiating a commodities futures contract (e.g. oranges). The environment is cut-throat, and each and every offer is a gamble (for both sides).

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Accept there are limitations in communication between staffs and prospects set by the NCAA. This is something that could be told to HS coaches but then they need to be responsible for communicating it to their players. Seems too many HS coaches fail in that job.
 
A 5 year scholarship to is worth almost $300,000 just in tuition/room and board. Can't blame a private school for wanting to make sure the commitment is real and the player is real.

Remember a few years ago with the Henninger kid who almost pulled a fast one on U. of Florida. The night before signing day the Florida coach called Campese from Henninger just to ask him a few questions and the Henn. coach was in total shock that Florida was offering and giving this kid a free ride when he was not even close to being his best defender.

In truth the Henn. coach probably should have let Folrida suffer from buyers remorse for going off on just a made up sc out page with fake stats. Even sc-out never vetted the kid. LOL......I still laugh about this
 
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I wonder how much this is connected to all of those Florida commits we got last year that ended up flipping.
 
If a kid commits without ever visiting, how likely is he to transfer after 1 year?
 
I wonder how much this is connected to all of those Florida commits we got last year that ended up flipping.
It seems that McDonald had a different philosophy than Shafer regarding the visit rule. Because he got a ton of "commits" from Florida kids without ever visiting, and, as you said, most ended up flipping. It seems there was a disconnect between Shafer and McDonald on a few different major issues.
 
Good for the staff for clarifying their recruiting practices. Syracuse.com has been trying to push this angle for awhile, interesting that this story was done by the DO.
 
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Good for the staff for clarifying their recruiting practices. Syracuse.com has been trying to push this angle for awhile, interesting that this story was done by the DO.

I for one will miss their exposés on thoroughly normal recruiting practices.
 
A 5 year scholarship to is worth almost $300,000 just in tuition/room and board. Can't blame a private school for wanting to make sure the commitment is real and the player is real.

Remember a few years ago with the Henninger kid who almost pulled a fast one on U. of Florida. The night before signing day the Florida coach called Campese from Henninger just to ask him a few questions and the Henn. was in total shock that Florida was offering and giving this kid a free ride when he was not even close to being his best defender.

In truth the Henn. coach probably should have let Folrida suffer from buyers remorse for going off on just a made up sc out page with fake stats. Even sc-out never vetted the kid. LOL...I still laugh about this

What was that kid's name? Travis something right?
 
I should know this but does SU (or whatever the host college is) pay for airfare?
 
What does this mean for Daewood Davis?

If you reread the story there is the line that states barring extenuating circumstances. Schwedelson didn't expand on this but my guess is that might be for a kid that they have actually seen in person playing in a HS game. I remember previously Shafer stating that he didn't want to take some commits the other year until the prospect played that season. Davis was at Stranahan last year and the staff was recruiting there. Just a guess that they have seen him play and know what the commodity is.

Also the exception could be for a player they believe to be a stud but the kid doesn't have the finances or support system to visit until he can take an OV.
 
If you reread the story there is the line that states barring extenuating circumstances. Schwedelson didn't expand on this but my guess is that might be for a kid that have actually seen in person playing in a HS game. I remember previously Shafer stating that he didn't want to take some commits the other year until the prospect played that season. Davis was at Stranahan last year and the staff was recruiting there. Just a guess that they have seen him play and know what the commodity is.

Also the exception could be for a player they believe to be a stud but the kid doesn't have the finances or support system to visit until he can take an OV.
I think it's a valid question, but agree with you here as well. If I'm not mistaken, the staff is also very familiar with Daewood's old coach at his previous school, correct? It could be that between having seen him in person before, and getting the straight story on him from a coach they trust, they might feel in a case like his they can forego the visit first rule?

Just spitballing.
 
Actually Daewood never changed schools. His old coach was fired from Stranahan.
 
Actually Daewood never changed schools. His old coach was fired from Stranahan.
Actually he did, he was at Somerset Academy Charter. I believe he's only PLAYED at Stranahan, but he definitely left and then came back.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2015/06/daewood_davis_syracuse_football_miami.html

"Davis said he's spending the rest of the summer training in preparation for his junior year at Somerset. He played his first two seasons at Stranahan (Fort Lauderdale, Fla.) High School before transferring to Somerset in the spring, and wants to improve his high-end speed before the year begins."
 
Actually he did, he was at Somerset Academy Charter. I believe he's only PLAYED at Stranahan, but he definitely left and then came back.

Yeah had to go back and look. But the Coach at Somerset is Hill who was the coach at Stranahan.
 
Yeah had to go back and look. But the Coach at Somerset is Hill who was the coach at Stranahan.
Is Hill the one our staff is familiar with? Willie Hill, is that his name?
 

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