New Assistant: Dan Engelstad [Official]

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[orange79]

TL;DR version:

OK, bye

 

[OrangeXtreme]

TL;DR version:

OK, bye

Engel Dan and John Ford Coley.

 

[0.2 YNdeeR]

Engel Dan and John Ford Coley.

Brings back some fond elevator memories.

 

[Chip]

UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.

Yeah, you're not ever meeting again.

 

[asj410]

I know I'm getting old, but that was a strain on my eyes to read.

 

[Sherman20]

I know I'm getting old, but that was a strain on my eyes to read.

Horrible choice of font and all Caps to boot. Unreadable. This guy isn’t ready for primetime. How will he help Red with all these bad decisions? We’ll never be able to recruit the DMV with those kinds of fonts! I mean, who are we hiring here?!?

 

[FrancoPizza]

One year for Red. Can’t saddle him with Jim’s last 9 years.

This isn’t about red. It’s about the program. The administration presided over the last 10 years and voted to stay the course instead of going outside the JB tree. Unfortunately for Red he IS saddled with this baggage and he knew that when he accepted the job.

 

[Orangello]

Engel Dan and John Ford Coley.

I'm not talking 'bout moving in
And I don't want to change your life
But there's a snow storm up on the Hill again
And I'd really love a three seed tonight

 

[M2MPrinciples]

The problem is we’ve been waiting 10 years to be rewarded with faith, hope, and trust. 10 years seems like 84.

Oh, I meant more in terms of waiting to read up on his background, strengths, why Red picked him, and what specific problems he's going to be tasked with solving.

 

[albanycuse]

there are a lot of D1 college wannabe coaches here...i mean there are people who wanted to bring in DC for effs sake...you cant make this up

And all the same ones who want alumis to fill every coaching position as well. Like why? I’d rather have outside influence and different ideas that can help us win.

 

[Marsh01]

And all the same ones who want alumis to fill every coaching position as well. Like why? I’d rather have outside influence and different ideas that can help us win.

Agreed. Just shows you the how Red knows what he is doing and is adapting to how the game needs to be played now with recruiting, portal, NIL, etc. if JB were here there is no doubt Nichols or someone like that would have been Gmacs replacement

 

[Cheriehoop]

The problem is we’ve been waiting 10 years to be rewarded with faith, hope, and trust. 10 years seems like 84.

I don’t get this idea that we have had 10 years of horrific tortured losing SU basketball. No doubt we have had issues in JB’s latter years particularly with recruiting but the length of time keeps expanding in people’s posts. 10 years ago was 2014. We made the NCAA’s in 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2021. For us making just half the NCAA tournaments is disappointing, because we’ve been spoiled by so much extreme success almost every year of his long tenure here. We tend to eliminate that it included a final 4, 2 Sweet 16’s in those 5 appearances.

2014	#3	Second round Third round	#14 Western Michigan #11 Dayton	W 77–53 L 53–55
2016	#10	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen Elite Eight Final Four	#7 Dayton #15 Middle Tennessee State #11 Gonzaga #1 Virginia #1 North Carolina	W 70–51 W 75–50 W 63–60 W 68–62 L 66–83
2018	#11	First Four First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#11 Arizona State #6 TCU #3 Michigan State #2 Duke	W 60–56 W 57–52 W 55–53 L 65–69
2019	#8	First round	#9 Baylor	L 69–78
2021	#11	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#6 San Diego State #3 West Virginia #2 Houston	W 78–62 W 75–72 L 46–62

Hoping we give Red a chance to start his own legacy in this totally new and different college basketball world that started in just the last few years and stop the crying and whining and even resorting to exaggerating our demise. Negativity is a killer for programs and their brand making it much more difficult to recruit, get $ support for NIL and get people in the stands to support the program. Bottom line is we want to win, Red wants to win and lead the program in his own way, in a brand new ever changing era after the great legacy our program has had for over half a century. LGO!

 

[CousCuse]

I don’t get this idea that we have had 10 years of horrific tortured losing SU basketball. No doubt we have had issues in JB’s latter years particularly with recruiting but the length of time keeps expanding in people’s posts. 10 years ago was 2014. We made the NCAA’s in 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2021. For us making just half the NCAA tournaments is disappointing, because we’ve been spoiled by so much extreme success almost every year of his long tenure here. We tend to eliminate that it included a final 4, 2 Sweet 16’s in those 5 appearances.

2014	#3	Second round Third round	#14 Western Michigan #11 Dayton	W 77–53 L 53–55
2016	#10	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen Elite Eight Final Four	#7 Dayton #15 Middle Tennessee State #11 Gonzaga #1 Virginia #1 North Carolina	W 70–51 W 75–50 W 63–60 W 68–62 L 66–83
2018	#11	First Four First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#11 Arizona State #6 TCU #3 Michigan State #2 Duke	W 60–56 W 57–52 W 55–53 L 65–69
2019	#8	First round	#9 Baylor	L 69–78
2021	#11	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#6 San Diego State #3 West Virginia #2 Houston	W 78–62 W 75–72 L 46–62

Hoping we give Red a chance to start his own legacy in this totally new and different college basketball world that started in just the last few years and stop the crying and whining and even resorting to exaggerating our demise. Negativity is a killer for programs and their brand making it much more difficult to recruit, get $ support for NIL and get people in the stands to support the program. Bottom line is we want to win, Red wants to win and lead the program in his own way, in a brand new ever changing era after the great legacy our program has had for over half a century. LGO!

And if Jesse didn't break his wrist in '22 that team could have went deep in the NCAAT.

 

[Ozone!]

 

[CousCuse]

Adrian has done a great job so far. Whatever his decisions are, people should give him full support.

 

[qdawgg]

The good news is that I have heard that this guy is an expert at the 2-3 defense. Just kidding.

Well his record does support that…..

 

[rocklloyd]

And all the same ones who want alumis to fill every coaching position as well. Like why? I’d rather have outside influence and different ideas that can help us win.

i don't care about alumni being coaches. I care about winning and getting back to post season. hopefully many others share same opinion.

 

[qdawgg]

What style of offense did MSMU run? If he comes with his point guard, I think that's what he's coming in for.

The style of offense that gets you a record under .400 after 6 seasons.

 

[albanycuse]

i don't care about alumni being coaches. I care about winning and getting back to post season. hopefully many others share same opinion.

I agree. But i see it as being lazy and not doing your due diligence by always hiring former players.

 

[CousCuse]

The style of offense that gets you a record under .400 after 6 seasons.

Teams in those lower level conferences usually have a lot of OOC loses. He did make the NCAAT with them.

 

[CusefanATL]

Becoming an assistant vs hc is something

Only guy I remember doing this (and I’m sure im missing 100) was pitino from BU to Knicks Asst

its officailly a trend in CFB

Group of Five head coaches leaving for assistant jobs is sign of college football landscape shift

Four Group of Five head coaches took assistant roles at Power Five schools, illustrating the challenges at the smaller schools in college football.

www.usatoday.com

 

[swish7]

Agreed. Just shows you the how Red knows what he is doing and is adapting to how the game needs to be played now with recruiting, portal, NIL, etc. if JB were here there is no doubt Nichols or someone like that would have been Gmacs replacement

The results will be whatever they are. We shall see. Just bc he hired outside the family doesn't guarantee success.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I don’t get this idea that we have had 10 years of horrific tortured losing SU basketball. No doubt we have had issues in JB’s latter years particularly with recruiting but the length of time keeps expanding in people’s posts. 10 years ago was 2014. We made the NCAA’s in 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2021. For us making just half the NCAA tournaments is disappointing, because we’ve been spoiled by so much extreme success almost every year of his long tenure here. We tend to eliminate that it included a final 4, 2 Sweet 16’s in those 5 appearances.

2014	#3	Second round Third round	#14 Western Michigan #11 Dayton	W 77–53 L 53–55
2016	#10	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen Elite Eight Final Four	#7 Dayton #15 Middle Tennessee State #11 Gonzaga #1 Virginia #1 North Carolina	W 70–51 W 75–50 W 63–60 W 68–62 L 66–83
2018	#11	First Four First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#11 Arizona State #6 TCU #3 Michigan State #2 Duke	W 60–56 W 57–52 W 55–53 L 65–69
2019	#8	First round	#9 Baylor	L 69–78
2021	#11	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#6 San Diego State #3 West Virginia #2 Houston	W 78–62 W 75–72 L 46–62

Hoping we give Red a chance to start his own legacy in this totally new and different college basketball world that started in just the last few years and stop the crying and whining and even resorting to exaggerating our demise. Negativity is a killer for programs and their brand making it much more difficult to recruit, get $ support for NIL and get people in the stands to support the program. Bottom line is we want to win, Red wants to win and lead the program in his own way, in a brand new ever changing era after the great legacy our program has had for over half a century. LGO!

Cherie we haven’t been nationally relevant since Ennis. Regular season metrics back that up. I want to enjoy SU basketball throughout the season and not hope we’re on the right side of the bubble when lightning strikes.

 

[SUFan44]

I don’t get this idea that we have had 10 years of horrific tortured losing SU basketball. No doubt we have had issues in JB’s latter years particularly with recruiting but the length of time keeps expanding in people’s posts. 10 years ago was 2014. We made the NCAA’s in 2014, 2016, 2018, 2019 and 2021. For us making just half the NCAA tournaments is disappointing, because we’ve been spoiled by so much extreme success almost every year of his long tenure here. We tend to eliminate that it included a final 4, 2 Sweet 16’s in those 5 appearances.

2014	#3	Second round Third round	#14 Western Michigan #11 Dayton	W 77–53 L 53–55
2016	#10	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen Elite Eight Final Four	#7 Dayton #15 Middle Tennessee State #11 Gonzaga #1 Virginia #1 North Carolina	W 70–51 W 75–50 W 63–60 W 68–62 L 66–83
2018	#11	First Four First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#11 Arizona State #6 TCU #3 Michigan State #2 Duke	W 60–56 W 57–52 W 55–53 L 65–69
2019	#8	First round	#9 Baylor	L 69–78
2021	#11	First round Second round Sweet Sixteen	#6 San Diego State #3 West Virginia #2 Houston	W 78–62 W 75–72 L 46–62

Hoping we give Red a chance to start his own legacy in this totally new and different college basketball world that started in just the last few years and stop the crying and whining and even resorting to exaggerating our demise. Negativity is a killer for programs and their brand making it much more difficult to recruit, get $ support for NIL and get people in the stands to support the program. Bottom line is we want to win, Red wants to win and lead the program in his own way, in a brand new ever changing era after the great legacy our program has had for over half a century. LGO!

Appreciate this, but here are more facts.

- Ultimately, the goal is to compete for a national title. Despite us winning only once, having a top 4 seed makes you a legitimate contender most years. We have not been a top 4 seed since the 2014 tournament.
- There have been exactly 1 team to win the championship as an 8 seed or worse. We have been a #8 seed or better exactly once in the last 10 NCAA Tournaments (2019 - 8 seed).
- There have been exactly 7 teams to make the final four as a 10 or 11 seed since the field expanded since 1985. That's 7 times in nearly 40 years. Not very likely.
- Prior to 2014-15 (again, 10 season span), we had 10 seasons of 10+ losses in 40 years -- since 1983-84. From 2014-15 to present, we have had 10 loss seasons each year.
- Additionally, our winning percentage each of those years was sub .650 every single time - including sub .600 6 times. In the 10 years that we had 10 losses in that 40 year span, our winning percentage was: .750, .737, .600, .686, .657, .639, .636, .594, .667, .688. Meaning just ONCE -- 1996-97, when Winfred Walton (RIP) was ineligible and we had a historically young team - did we not have a .600+ winning percentage. That has happened SIX times in 10 years.

It has been a decade of mediocrity. And historic mediocrity at that. If you are telling us that Jim Boeheim was responsible for this, and we should temper expectations of consistent winning at that level, I would retort "Why?". We are resourced to win at a high level.

The demise is not exaggerated. We have been historically bad comparative to our program's history. And we have been average at best for a decade in a league that has, for the most part, been relatively mediocre as well.

I am hopeful Autry gets this rolling. But do not downplay how bad the last 10 years have been. 2-3 runs in the NCAA Tournament don't change anything.