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Position-by-position breakdown, with short / long term prognosis for each unit

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So, bccubs's post disputing the lack of talent made me start thinking about our current roster, and the short term / long term prognosis at a couple of key positions that have been trouble spots this year. Here's the breakdown, as I see it, position by position; I'm curious to see what others think, or if they see things differently in terms of each unit's short / long term potential, given what the new staff has in the recruiting pipeline:


Quarterback: Eric Dungey is a potential stud who has already taken too much punishment in week 3. His arm looks a little tired, and he's made some bad throws in recent games that are partially attributable to how quickly the pocket is breaking down around him. When he has time to throw, he's shown nice accuracy, and appears to be a very strong fit for Babers's system. Even when he's not playing exceptionally well, he's putting up numbers that we would have killed for in recent years in what is essentially a "C" game for him. Also important to keep in mind that he's a true sophomore who missed significant developmental time last year, is learning his second system in two years, and is only in game 3 of figuring things out. Mahoney seems to have improved his accuracy, and gives us a quality backup with actual game experience, that enabled us to redshirt our true frosh QB. Culpepper arrived in January and participated in spring practice, and now isn't being rushed onto the field. Devito blew up after we offered him. With Dungey in the fold for two more years, and those two waiting in the wings, the future looks bright at QB [finally]. And once we start putting up video game numbers in Baber's system, we should have no shortage of QB prospects who want to come play here down the road.

Short term potential: Good, provided Dungey can remain upright
Long term potential: Strong



Running Back: I like the raw materials in the pipeline, but we really need at least one bigger back [Jo-El Shaw would have helped address this issue]. Fredricks was terrific last year, but struggled this offseason to remain in shape and is now the platoon back. Strickland [on paper] seems like a better fit for how the coaching staff envisions using the RB position, but he's been inconsistent so far this season. The play of the OL is undoubtedly holding this unit back a bit. We have both of these guys back for two more full years after this one. Moe Neal has primarily played backup running back, but looks tailor made for the same role Ervin Philips is playing now. Stritzinger arrives next year with an impressive offer list and a chance to carve out a niche / bolster depth. Did I mentioned that we need a bigger back in the fold?

Short term potential: Hopefully, the USF game was a sign that the running game is starting to click
Long term potential: Solid



Wide Receiver: Amba Etta-Tawo has been a freaking godsend. And Philips has smoothly transitioned to WR after playing a hybrid role the previous two years. Those two make our offense dynamic and potentially explosive. Estime isn't in as prominent of a role, but still a big play threat as evidenced by his TD catch against USF. Interestingly, Ishmael has been in more of a complimentary role this season. Custis and Enoicy probably won't see much time, and probably never will at this point as the coaching staff bring in their own players. Neither Butler nor Riley have factored in much, but are gaining valuable experience and will figure to step into more prominent roles next year. Butler in particular brings an intriguing blend of size / athleticism to the position. Scoop Bradshaw moved here during camp, and probably won't see much time [if any] this year, but could make a splash down the road]. And we're adding a ton of WR talent to the fold next year that on paper appears to enhance the position's speed, size, and playmaking. Nykeim Johnson is small but elusive, Sharod Johnson is kicking a$$ at a big time program in Florida, and Cameron Jordan / Josh Palmer bring some much needed size to the position. Remains to be seen whether Thompson-Bishop ends up here on in the secondary. He's got the athleticism to excel at either spot.

Short term potential: Etta-Tawo and Philips have impressed, and the depth here is quality
Long term potential: Need to replace Etta-Tawo's deep threat next year, but the future looks bright



Tight End: Not much to get excited about here. Paris has battled injuries and can't get on the field. Moore has also battled injuries. Legacy Georgetown transfer MacPherson is a stop gap, but not a difference maker. Clark [who ended up at Pitt] would have been a perfect fit for this offense. Things are so dire at TE, that the staff moved Kenneth Ruff [who'd spent the offseason at LB and DE] to TE, just to bolster the unit. Whether he remains there long term remains to be seen. Unbelievably, next season, things might actually be WORSE at this positional unit. A true frosh could contend for a starting position next year, which generally isn't a formula for success. For next year, we have Aaron Hackett lined up to commit, but he'll need to mature a bit physically to handle the full set of responsibilities [6-3 225 right now]. The staff may have backed off of Charles Reeves due to academic concerns, who has the physical tools to play right away. What happens with him is up in the air. The staff will need to add at least one more prospect here to just fill in the depth chart, given what we'll lose this offseason.

Short term potential: Won't get much production from this group this season
Long term potential: Might need to look down the road for this position to be optimized. Hopefully, the way Babers utilizes TEs in his offense will be attractive to prospective recruits so we can beef up at this position of need



Offensive Line: The OL has struggled this year [really, the past two years]. We don't seem to hold up at the line of attack in terms of opening holes for the running game OR in pass protection – a bad combo. RT has been a sieve. But we do have a couple of solid pieces of the puzzle. Byrne shifting in to a starting role is intriguing, because he figures to improve the run blocking potential of this unit, and starting a sophomore [Conway] at LT bodes well for the next two years. The question is: are the redshirt frosh better than some of the incumbents? Babers has put together back-to-back solid classes of prospects at OL [which seems like a perpetual trouble spot for SU]. We need time for the true frosh Babers brought in [who are all tall but undersized and need to fill out] to get to their eventual playing weights. Once they do, I think the raw materials will be there for better performance than what we've had the past few years. Until then, I think the OL struggles will continue. Incoming recruits Patrick Davis / Dakota Davis are BIG boys who will help stock the pipeline.

Short term potential: The OL has been the major trouble spot on offense, and doesn't figure to get better this year
Long term potential: Figures to improve in another year or two



Defensive Tackle: The strength of a much-maligned defense is undoubtedly at DT, where we have three players who are all capable of starting in Kayton Samuels, Steve Clark, and Chris Slayton [who's been forced to play out of position at DE—more on this below]—three sophomores. This group's best football is ahead of them, and they will form the foundation of what will hopefully be an improved defense once the team gets acclimated to the Tampa 2 and other positional units around them improve. Behind them, Tyler Cross and Anthony Guidice provide depth, and tall but slightly undersized McKinley Williams figures to make a splash down the road as he adds size and gets immersed in a collegiate strength and conditioning program. The staff is bringing in a big DT prospect in Curtis Harper who was reportedly the staff's top choice at DT. If they can get anything from Cross / Guidice / Williams, this group appears to be well stocked for the long term.

Short term potential: Good, and will only improve over time
Long term potential: Strong for the next couple of years, especially if the staff continues to add prospects like Williams / Harper



Defensive End: The DE position is a confusing in that this group epitomizes the futility of the defense's struggles this year AND offers reasons for optimism down the road. Depleted by the defection of the unit's best player, Ron Thompson [who tossed his ring into NFL draft contention this past offseason], the Orange returned no players who were part of last year's rotation, and no players who'd even played a snap in their collegiate careers. The Orange seemed to have landed a player who would have bolstered the unit in FCS transfer Gabe Sherrod, but the coaching staff pulled his scholarship over his continued flirtations with Michigan State. In his place, they brought in 5th year transfer De'jon Wilson, who didn't play much at Colorado. He's more of a depth guy than an impact player. The situation is so dire that the staff moved Slayton outside to DE from his more natural position at DT in an attempt to get the "best" DL on the field together. This move was necessary because the rest of the unit is manned by frosh—including 3 true frosh. Jake Pickard had offers from Wisconsin and Michigan, and is being counted on to produce. He was injured at the end of preseason camp, and just now getting his sea legs back. The trio of true frosh [Black, Nelson, and Coleman] aren't ready for prime time yet, but in two years, this unit—which is a liability this season—could end up turning into a position of strength. Right now, they're a little behind the curve. The staff has already lined up Zach Morton [from an impressive high school program in Detroit] to bolster the unit down the road.

Short term potential: This group doesn't seem like it will generate much pass rush this year, or make too many plays behind the line of scrimmage. They also struggle to contain, which is as much about the new system / general inexperience as anything
Long term potential: Nelson had impressive offers coming out of HS. Ditto Pickard. And I like the potential of Black / Coleman [who has actually garnered the most PT of the frosh, and earned a starting role]. With a year or two under their belts, this group could develop, but it is going to take time. The lack of depth at this position forced all three incoming frosh onto the field, which is unfortunate. Hopefully that won't be an issue moving forward, as we should be able to field a nice rotation with these four over the next couple of years.



Linebacker: Last year, Franklin and Bennett were the rocks of the defense, displaying speed, instincts and playmaking. This year, they are still the unit's best players, but look to be a half-step slower due to the new system. Make no mistake: I love these two, and they both could / should improve once they get more familiar with their new responsibilities. Both of these guys [Franklin in particular] struggle to cover, which is a problem for a MLB in the Tampa 2, and both are a bit undersized for the new system. The third position is less settled, with Jonathan Thomas [who is even more undersized] manning the WILL. Similarly small Ted Taylor backs him up, with Marquez Hodge [former starter] backing up the other two spots. Shyheim Cullen is emerging as a special teams ace, but hasn't gotten much PT otherwise. The group hasn't gotten any contributions from Alryk Perry or any of the other remaining LBs. The main issues with this unit stem from the group being the types of players that the old staff coveted—smaller and faster—while the new coaching staff needs bigger LBs that will hold up better against the run and also drop into coverage to take away the middle of the field. Fortunately, help is on the way. Last year, Babers brought in two LB prospects [Andrew Armstrong and Tim Walton] who are bigger [both 6-2] than the current group of starters [who are all in the 6-0 range]. And the staff has lined up a trio of LB prospects, including the highly rated Nadarius Fagan [6-2 195], Kadeem Trotter [6-3 196], and Tyrell Richards [6-2 220]. While the former two need to add sand to the bucket, the bigger frames should make them better equipped to handle the responsibilities of LBs in the Tampa 2.

Short term potential: Solid—Franklin and Bennett are a nice nucleus, even if undersized, and should help bridge the gap until the newer players grow into their frames.
Long term potential: The newcomers [including Walton / Armstrong] should be able to get into the 235+ range without sacrificing speed, which is in marked contrast to the size of the current group. It will be interesting to see if a prospect like Fagan contends for a starting role next year, or whether he'll need a year in the S&C program to crack the lineup.



Cornerback: Scary is the word that comes to mind when discussing the depth constraints we're facing at this position. No positional group had a more maligned off-season than the secondary, which had two players get stabbed, two others who weren't admitted to school, and a host of injuries to deal with IN ADDITION to learning a new system. Cory Winfield has been the best CB on the team last season and this year, but the lack of pass rush up front has exposed this group in coverage. Juwan Dowels, the other starter, was lost for the season with a broken arm. Cordell Hudson [RS] has stepped in and has struggled a bit. The depth situation is so poor that true frosh Carl Jones has been rushed onto the two deep. He'll take his lumps this year, but will be better for it down the road, and he has the requisite size [6-2] for the Tampa 2. The group could really use Wayne Morgan [who has struggled his entire career with technique] back, as he brings much needed depth / size to the position. Fellow frosh Scoop Bradshaw was shifted from CB to WR in camp, so there isn't much else in reserve—especially since JUCO transfer Michael Moore [6-3] did not meet eligibility requirements. He would have played a LOT.

Short term potential: This year is going to be rough. Injuries have really hurt this unit, as has the lack of pass rush
Long term potential: See "Safeties," below



Safeties: As with the CBs, this group has also been decimated by injuries. The key performers are also undersized. The team's best S, Antwan Cordy, plays SS despite being 5-8 175. He was last year's top performer in the secondary, but a broken arm in game 2 will have him on the sidelines the rest of the year. His replacement, Daivon Ellison, is a playmaker but also undersized [5-8 177]. The size differential has been both exaggerated and prominently noticeable against our last two opponents, Louisville and USF, where we often had 5-9 or shorter guys attempting to cover 6-4 wideouts. Rodney Williams, a part time starter last year, returns to the lineup after an off-season of injuries. He brings a little more height, but not much heft [186 pounds]. Chauncey Scissum [another part time starter] hasn't played as a function of injuries sustained during an off-season stabbing, but is the biggest player in the group. Redshirt frosh Christopher Frederick hasn't played much. Kielan Whitner struggled in a start against Louisville, and is now injured. True frosh Evan Foster and Devon Clarke bring some much needed size to the position, but Clarke has been injured the entire preseason and likely will not play this year. This unit would have bolstered by James Pierre, a three star S from North Carolina, but he was not admitted to school.

Short term potential: Bleak, although Ellison has emerged as a playmaker
Long term potential: Help is on the way. The staff brought in a couple of prospects last year [Foster / Clarke] who improve the size of the S corps. It remains to be seen whether Pierre can rectify his issues via prep school and enroll in January, or whether he needs to go the JUCO route. For the class of 2017, the coaching staff has lined up a trio of players who will bring an infusion of athleticism into the secondary in Eric Coley [6-1], Ifeatu Melifonwu [6-3], and Russell Thompson-Bishop [6-2]. It remains to be seen whether these guys end up at CB, S, or WR, but when combined with the class of 2016, should improve both the depth and the suitability of secondary personnel for the Tampa 2.

So where does all of the above leave us?


Short term prognosis: In general, the conversion to new systems is further along on the offensive side of the ball, due to having better personnel capable of thriving in the new system [despite limitations at OL and TE]. The blocking has been subpar and needs to improve, but the offensive potential is there for this team to score a lot of points against peer programs.

Even though we took it on the chin against Louisville [who have suddenly emerged as a legitimate playoff contender, after dismantling #2 FSU] and a high powered USF offense, the Orange have the potential to score a couple of important W's in the next couple of games. These peer programs will provide a much better barometer of where things stand than Louisville did.

At a high level, the transformation toward markedly improved offensive play has been significant, and consistent with Babers's previous two stops. Our statistical performance will improve over the next couple of games; although we struggled at times against Louisville / USF, not every team will have the caliber of athletes that they have—which should enable the offense to score more points. We have winnable games against uconn, bc, and wake. The questions are:
  1. Can the offense light up the scoreboard against such opponents, and
  2. Will the defense slow teams down enough to enable us to outscore them?
Games against NC state, VT, and Pitt could be winnable if those two questions get answered positively.

On defense, we need to surround our quality corps of DT with DEs who are more experienced and who can help generate an improved pass rush, we need bigger LBs, and we need to add depth / talent to the secondary. Many of the pieces of the puzzle are on the roster already; more reinforcements arrive in the class of 2017. And of course, it will help as the group get increasingly acclimated to / comfortable with the new defensive system—enabling them to just react and play instead of thinking and playing a half step slower since the system isn't instinctive for the group yet.


Long term prognosis:

The coaching staff tore off the band aid in implementing new systems on both sides of the ball, and the defensive personnel that aren't optimized for Tampa 2 are struggling a bit as a result. Injuries to several key players have only exacerbated the situation on D. The question is, how quickly will it take for the newbies to round into form as contributors… and will they benefit from being thrown to the wolves early by gaining valuable game experience that they can use to build upon in the off-season?

The team is staring a 4-8 or a 5-7 type of season in the face, but could certainly qualify for bowl contention if a few things break our way. The offense should continue to improve throughout the course of the season; it is important to keep in perspective that they only have 3 games in the new system under their belts, and will get more efficient as they get more comfortable.

The defense is a major liability this year, but could improve as some injured players return, and some inexperienced players gain their sea legs. How much improvement—if any—is it realistic to expect this season remains to be seen.

Babers has a track record of his teams taking a monumental step forward in year 2. If that happens next year, then it will make the year 1 growing pains worth it. The staff continues to demonstrate that they can recruit at a higher level than their predecessors. This will eventually pay off, and help accelerate the "rebuild" as Babers crafts the team in his own image. Honestly, the future looks bright—even if the results in week 2 and 3 [and future beat downs against FSU and Clemson likely] have some scratching their heads and doubting the approach.

Ultimately, Babers was probably right when he said that things would take time—maybe as much as 12 months longer than he expected. We've already seen a positive transformation on offense; once the personnel fits the new defensive scheme better, we should see improved performance on that side of the ball, as well.

Having a half-empty Dome isn't going to impress any recruits, but luckily the staff has lined up more than 2/3 of the class already. Now, they have to hang onto them. And if they could ever win some games, they might generate enough buzz to put butts in seats for the remaining home games.


Let's Go Orange!!!
 
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I thought Thompson-Bishop is WR? Either way, great post. nice to see each group broken down
 
Nice write up, RF2044

I know this was a positional breakdown, but I really believe that the greatest gains this year will be the gelling and understanding of the two systems. Players will get more experience, understanding, etc - that will bolster the talent available.

I also bring this up because I have a strange confidence that (esp on offense) this staff will get them there and we'll see improvement as we go. I tried to be this confident in the last staff (as everyone remembers), but no.
 
Couple of things stand out to me:

Tight End - I would be floored if we don't see a JUCO or 5th come in at this position. I'm still uncertain as to what production this offense needs from a TE, but even from a blocking perspective, we need help.

O Line - This positional group is starting to become like QB had been for us prior to Nassib - a consistent problem. In any given year we have a few really good lineman, then a few that are capable, and not very much quality depth. And the band keeps playing on, year after year. It was a problem throughout Shafer's tenure, and continues to be a problem. I also wouldn't be surprised to see some experienced JUCO or 5th year players targeted here as well, just to give some of the young guys you mentioned in this recruiting class a year to RS.

DB - I think we know the issues we have here, and injuries and non-qualifiers only compounded them. The group was a question mark even if we didn't have the injuries and non-qualifiers. Wouldn't be surprised if this positional group sees the most targeting of JUCO or 5th year types to add quality players with the requisite size and experience to be successful in a Tampa 2.

I think these 3 positional groups are our sore spots. The others have enough talent in the pipeline to either be strengths or competent currently or in the near term.
 
The DL right now is the strength of the D, assuming Samuels isn't hurt. I think Slayton is our best DL. The other DEs are raw but the 3 other starters on the line are all solid.

I am a bit worried about LB. IMO Thomas has been our best LB this year. Bennett played a similar role last year as Thomas has this year. He has been very quiet in his new role. Hopefully that is more learning a new position/system than being a poor fit for that role. I think LB might be our biggest weakness right now.

IMO the biggest issue with the CBs is the lack of run support. We don't have a physical corner who can force a run back inside.

Our Safeties are young and I think long term it can be a position of strength. I really like what I saw last year on STs from Ellison and on D the first 3 games this year. He has been our best DB so far. I think he will minimize the loss of Cordy. Where we are hurt the most with Cordy is the Nickel package. Next year it will stink that one of these guys likely won't be on the field. I think Whitner has a lot of potential but his tackling has been poor this far.
 
The DL right now is the strength of the D, assuming Samuels isn't hurt. I think Slayton is our best DL. The other DEs are raw but the 3 other starters on the line are all solid.

I am a bit worried about LB. IMO Thomas has been our best LB this year. Bennett played a similar role last year as Thomas has this year. He has been very quiet in his new role. Hopefully that is more learning a new position/system than being a poor fit for that role. I think LB might be our biggest weakness right now.

IMO the biggest issue with the CBs is the lack of run support. We don't have a physical corner who can force a run back inside.

Our Safeties are young and I think long term it can be a position of strength. I really like what I saw last year on STs from Ellison and on D the first 3 games this year. He has been our best DB so far. I think he will minimize the loss of Cordy. Where we are hurt the most with Cordy is the Nickel package. Next year it will stink that one of these guys likely won't be on the field. I think Whitner has a lot of potential but his tackling has been poor this far.

Whitner is wildly inconsistent. I'm sure part of that has to do with being a true sophmore but that has to change.
 
Nice write up, RF2044

I know this was a positional breakdown, but I really believe that the greatest gains this year will be the gelling and understanding of the two systems. Players will get more experience, understanding, etc - that will bolster the talent available.

I also bring this up because I have a strange confidence that (esp on offense) this staff will get them there and we'll see improvement as we go. I tried to be this confident in the last staff (as everyone remembers), but no.

Agreed [for the most part]--there WILL be gains from the team getting more comfortable with the new systems on both sides of the ball. But improvement will also be facilitated with improved recruiting, and landing players who are better system fits for what the new coaching staff wants to accomplish on both sides of the ball.

On offense, the players we had [save for TE / OL] were good fits, so the curve toward high performance hasn't been as steep as it is on the defensive side off the ball. Once we get some better pieces of the puzzle on D, I think we'll see things click on that side of the ball, as well.

The coaches have a plan, and they're capable of succeeding [as proven by their track record].
 
So, bccubs's post disputing the lack of talent made me start thinking about our current roster, and the short term / long term prognosis at a couple of key positions that have been trouble spots this year. Here's the breakdown, as I see it, position by position; I'm curious to see what others think, or if they see things differently in terms of each unit's short / long term potential, given what the new staff has in the recruiting pipeline:


Quarterback: Eric Dungey is a potential stud who has already taken too much punishment in week 3. His arm looks a little tired, and he's made some bad throws in recent games that are partially attributable to how quickly the pocket is breaking down around him. When he has time to throw, he's shown nice accuracy, and appears to be a very strong fit for Babers's system. Even when he's not playing exceptionally well, he's putting up numbers that we would have killed for in recent years in what is essentially a "C" game for him. Also important to keep in mind that he's a true sophomore who missed significant developmental time last year, is learning his second system in two years, and is only in game 3 of figuring things out. Mahoney seems to have improved his accuracy, and gives us a quality backup with actual game experience, that enabled us to redshirt our true frosh QB. Culpepper arrived in January and participated in spring practice, and now isn't being rushed onto the field. Devito blew up after we offered him. With Dungey in the fold for two more years, and those two waiting in the wings, the future looks bright at QB [finally]. And once we start putting up video game numbers in Baber's system, we should have no shortage of QB prospects who want to come play here down the road.

Short term potential: Good, provided Dungey can remain upright
Long term potential: Strong



Running Back: I like the raw materials in the pipeline, but we really need at least one bigger back [Jo-El Shaw would have helped address this issue]. Fredricks was terrific last year, but struggled this offseason to remain in shape and is now the platoon back. Strickland [on paper] seems like a better fit for how the coaching staff envisions using the RB position, but he's been inconsistent so far this season. The play of the OL is undoubtedly holding this unit back a bit. We have both of these guys back for two more full years after this one. Moe Neal has primarily played backup running back, but looks tailor made for the same role Ervin Philips is playing now. Stritzinger arrives next year with an impressive offer list and a chance to carve out a niche / bolster depth. Did I mentioned that we need a bigger back in the fold?

Short term potential: Hopefully, the USF game was a sign that the running game is starting to click
Long term potential: Solid



Wide Receiver: Amba Etta-Tawo has been a freaking godsend. And Philips has smoothly transitioned to WR after playing a hybrid role the previous two years. Those two make our offense dynamic and potentially explosive. Estime isn't in as prominent of a role, but still a big play threat as evidenced by his TD catch against USF. Interestingly, Ishmael has been in more of a complimentary role this season. Custis and Enoicy probably won't see much time, and probably never will at this point as the coaching staff bring in their own players. Neither Butler nor Riley have factored in much, but are gaining valuable experience and will figure to step into more prominent roles next year. Butler in particular brings an intriguing blend of size / athleticism to the position. Scoop Bradshaw moved here during camp, and probably won't see much time [if any] this year, but could make a splash down the road]. And we're adding a ton of WR talent to the fold next year that on paper appears to enhance the position's speed, size, and playmaking. Nykeim Johnson is small but elusive, Sharod Johnson is kicking a$$ at a big time program in Florida, and Cameron Jordan / Josh Palmer bring some much needed size to the position. Remains to be seen whether Thompson-Bishop ends up here on in the secondary. He's got the athleticism to excel at either spot.

Short term potential: Etta-Tawo and Philips have impressed, and the depth here is quality
Long term potential: Need to replace Etta-Tawo's deep threat next year, but the future looks bright



Tight End: Not much to get excited about here. Paris has battled injuries and can't get on the field. Moore has also battled injuries. Legacy Georgetown transfer MacPherson is a stop gap, but not a difference maker. Clark [who ended up at Pitt] would have been a perfect fit for this offense. Things are so dire at TE, that the staff moved Kenneth Ruff [who'd spent the offseason at LB and DE] to TE, just to bolster the unit. Whether he remains there long term remains to be seen. Unbelievably, next season, things might actually be WORSE at this positional unit. A true frosh could contend for a starting position next year, which generally isn't a formula for success. For next year, we have Aaron Hackett lined up to commit, but he'll need to mature a bit physically to handle the full set of responsibilities [6-3 225 right now]. The staff may have backed off of Charles Reeves due to academic concerns, who has the physical tools to play right away. What happens with him is up in the air. The staff will need to add at least one more prospect here to just fill in the depth chart, given what we'll lose this offseason.

Short term potential: Won't get much production from this group this season
Long term potential: Might need to look down the road for this position to be optimized. Hopefully, the way Babers utilizes TEs in his offense will be attractive to prospective recruits so we can beef up at this position of need



Offensive Line: The OL has struggled this year [really, the past two years]. We don't seem to hold up at the line of attack in terms of opening holes for the running game OR in pass protection – a bad combo. RT has been a sieve. But we do have a couple of solid pieces of the puzzle. Byrne shifting in to a starting role is intriguing, because he figures to improve the run blocking potential of this unit, and starting a sophomore [Conway] at LT bodes well for the next two years. The question is: are the redshirt frosh better than some of the incumbents? Babers has put together back-to-back solid classes of prospects at OL [which seems like a perpetual trouble spot for SU]. We need time for the true frosh Babers brought in [who are all tall but undersized and need to fill out] to get to their eventual playing weights. Once they do, I think the raw materials will be there for better performance than what we've had the past few years. Until then, I think the OL struggles will continue. Incoming recruits Patrick Davis / Dakota Davis are BIG boys who will help stock the pipeline.

Short term potential: The OL has been the major trouble spot on offense, and doesn't figure to get better this year
Long term potential: Figures to improve in another year or two



Defensive Tackle: The strength of a much-maligned defense is undoubtedly at DT, where we have three players who are all capable of starting in Kayton Samuels, Steve Clark, and Chris Slayton [who's been forced to play out of position at DE—more on this below]—three sophomores. This group's best football is ahead of them, and they will form the foundation of what will hopefully be an improved defense once the team gets acclimated to the Tampa 2 and other positional units around them improve. Behind them, Tyler Cross and Anthony Guidice provide depth, and tall but slightly undersized McKinley Williams figures to make a splash down the road as he adds size and gets immersed in a collegiate strength and conditioning program. The staff is bringing in a big DT prospect in Curtis Harper who was reportedly the staff's top choice at DT. If they can get anything from Cross / Guidice / Williams, this group appears to be well stocked for the long term.

Short term potential: Good, and will only improve over time
Long term potential: Strong for the next couple of years, especially if the staff continues to add prospects like Williams / Harper



Defensive End: The DE position is a confusing in that this group epitomizes the futility of the defense's struggles this year AND offers reasons for optimism down the road. Depleted by the defection of the unit's best player, Ron Thompson [who tossed his ring into NFL draft contention this past offseason], the Orange returned no players who were part of last year's rotation, and no players who'd even played a snap in their collegiate careers. The Orange seemed to have landed a player who would have bolstered the unit in FCS transfer Gabe Sherrod, but the coaching staff pulled his scholarship over his continued flirtations with Michigan State. In his place, they brought in 5th year transfer De'jon Wilson, who didn't play much at Colorado. He's more of a depth guy than an impact player. The situation is so dire that the staff moved Slayton outside to DE from his more natural position at DT in an attempt to get the "best" DL on the field together. This move was necessary because the rest of the unit is manned by frosh—including 3 true frosh. Jake Pickard had offers from Wisconsin and Michigan, and is being counted on to produce. He was injured at the end of preseason camp, and just now getting his sea legs back. The trio of true frosh [Black, Newton, and Coleman] aren't ready for prime time yet, but in two years, this unit—which is a liability this season—could end up turning into a position of strength. Right now, they're a little behind the curve. The staff has already lined up Zach Morton [from an impressive high school program in Detroit] to bolster the unit down the road.

Short term potential: This group doesn't seem like it will generate much pass rush this year, or make too many plays behind the line of scrimmage. They also struggle to contain, which is as much about the new system / general inexperience as anything
Long term potential: Newton had impressive offers coming out of HS. Ditto Pickard. And I like the potential of Black / Coleman [who has actually garnered the most PT of the frosh, and earned a starting role]. With a year or two under their belts, this group could develop, but it is going to take time. The lack of depth at this position forced all three incoming frosh onto the field, which is unfortunate. Hopefully that won't be an issue moving forward, as we should be able to field a nice rotation with these four over the next couple of years.



Linebacker: Last year, Franklin and Bennett were the rocks of the defense, displaying speed, instincts and playmaking. This year, they are still the unit's best players, but look to be a half-step slower due to the new system. Make no mistake: I love these two, and they both could / should improve once they get more familiar with their new responsibilities. Both of these guys [Franklin in particular] struggle to cover, which is a problem for a MLB in the Tampa 2, and both are a bit undersized for the new system. The third position is less settled, with Jonathan Thomas [who is even more undersized] manning the WILL. Similarly small Ted Taylor backs him up, with Marquez Hodge [former starter] backing up the other two spots. Shyheim Cullen is emerging as a special teams ace, but hasn't gotten much PT otherwise. The group hasn't gotten any contributions from Alryk Perry or any of the other remaining LBs. The main issues with this unit stem from the group being the types of players that the old staff coveted—smaller and faster—while the new coaching staff needs bigger LBs that will hold up better against the run and also drop into coverage to take away the middle of the field. Fortunately, help is on the way. Last year, Babers brought in two LB prospects [Andrew Armstrong and Tim Walton] who are bigger [both 6-2] than the current group of starters [who are all in the 6-0 range]. And the staff has lined up a trio of LB prospects, including the highly rated Nadarius Fagan [6-2 195], Kadeem Trotter [6-3 196], and Tyrell Richards [6-2 220]. While the former two need to add sand to the bucket, the bigger frames should make them better equipped to handle the responsibilities of LBs in the Tampa 2.

Short term potential: Solid—Franklin and Bennett are a nice nucleus, even if undersized, and should help bridge the gap until the newer players grow into their frames.
Long term potential: The newcomers [including Walton / Armstrong] should be able to get into the 235+ range without sacrificing speed, which is in marked contrast to the size of the current group. It will be interesting to see if a prospect like Fagan contends for a starting role next year, or whether he'll need a year in the S&C program to crack the lineup.



Cornerback: Scary is the word that comes to mind when discussing the depth constraints we're facing at this position. No positional group had a more maligned off-season than the secondary, which had two players get stabbed, two others who weren't admitted to school, and a host of injuries to deal with IN ADDITION to learning a new system. Cory Winfield has been the best CB on the team last season and this year, but the lack of pass rush up front has exposed this group in coverage. Juwan Dowels, the other starter, was lost for the season with a broken arm. Cordell Hudson [RS] has stepped in and has struggled a bit. The depth situation is so poor that true frosh Carl Jones has been rushed onto the two deep. He'll take his lumps this year, but will be better for it down the road, and he has the requisite size [6-2] for the Tampa 2. The group could really use Wayne Morgan [who has struggled his entire career with technique] back, as he brings much needed depth / size to the position. Fellow frosh Scoop Bradshaw was shifted from CB to WR in camp, so there isn't much else in reserve—especially since JUCO transfer Michael Moore [6-3] did not meet eligibility requirements. He would have played a LOT.

Short term potential: This year is going to be rough. Injuries have really hurt this unit, as has the lack of pass rush
Long term potential: See "Safeties," below



Safeties: As with the CBs, this group has also been decimated by injuries. The key performers are also undersized. The team's best S, Antwan Cordy, plays SS despite being 5-8 175. He was last year's top performer in the secondary, but a broken arm in game 2 will have him on the sidelines the rest of the year. His replacement, Daivon Ellison, is a playmaker but also undersized [5-8 177]. The size differential has been both exaggerated and prominently noticeable against our last two opponents, Louisville and USF, where we often had 5-9 or shorter guys attempting to cover 6-4 wideouts. Rodney Williams, a part time starter last year, returns to the lineup after an off-season of injuries. He brings a little more height, but not much heft [186 pounds]. Chauncey Scissum [another part time starter] hasn't played as a function of injuries sustained during an off-season stabbing, but is the biggest player in the group. Redshirt frosh Christopher Frederick hasn't played much. Kielan Whitner struggled in a start against Louisville, and is now injured. True frosh Evan Foster and Devon Clarke bring some much needed size to the position, but Clarke has been injured the entire preseason and likely will not play this year. This unit would have bolstered by James Pierre, a three star S from North Carolina, but he was not admitted to school.

Short term potential: Bleak, although Ellison has emerged as a playmaker
Long term potential: Help is on the way. The staff brought in a couple of prospects last year [Foster / Clarke] who improve the size of the S corps. It remains to be seen whether Pierre can rectify his issues via prep school and enroll in January, or whether he needs to go the JUCO route. For the class of 2017, the coaching staff has lined up a trio of players who will bring an infusion of athleticism into the secondary in Eric Coley [6-1], Ifeatu Melifonwu [6-3], and Russell Thompson-Bishop [6-2]. It remains to be seen whether these guys end up at CB, S, or WR, but when combined with the class of 2016, should improve both the depth and the suitability of secondary personnel for the Tampa 2.

So where does all of the above leave us?


Short term prognosis: In general, the conversion to new systems is further along on the offensive side of the ball, due to having better personnel capable of thriving in the new system [despite limitations at OL and TE]. The blocking has been subpar and needs to improve, but the offensive potential is there for this team to score a lot of points against peer programs.

Even though we took it on the chin against Louisville [who have suddenly emerged as a legitimate playoff contender, after dismantling #2 FSU] and a high powered USF offense, the Orange have the potential to score a couple of important W's in the next couple of games. These peer programs will provide a much better barometer of where things stand than Louisville did.

At a high level, the transformation toward markedly improved offensive play has been significant, and consistent with Babers's previous two stops. Our statistical performance will improve over the next couple of games; although we struggled at times against Louisville / USF, not every team will have the caliber of athletes that they have—which should enable the offense to score more points. We have winnable games against uconn, bc, and wake. The questions are:
  1. Can the offense light up the scoreboard against such opponents, and
  2. Will the defense slow teams down enough to enable us to outscore them?
Games against NC state, VT, and Pitt could be winnable if those two questions get answered positively.

On defense, we need to surround our quality corps of DT with DEs who are more experienced and who can help generate an improved pass rush, we need bigger LBs, and we need to add depth / talent to the secondary. Many of the pieces of the puzzle are on the roster already; more reinforcements arrive in the class of 2017. And of course, it will help as the group get increasingly acclimated to / comfortable with the new defensive system—enabling them to just react and play instead of thinking and playing a half step slower since the system isn't instinctive for the group yet.


Long term prognosis:

The coaching staff tore off the band aid in implementing new systems on both sides of the ball, and the defensive personnel that aren't optimized for Tampa 2 are struggling a bit as a result. Injuries to several key players have only exacerbated the situation on D. The question is, how quickly will it take for the newbies to round into form as contributors… and will they benefit from being thrown to the wolves early by gaining valuable game experience that they can use to build upon in the off-season?

The team is staring a 4-8 or a 5-7 type of season in the face, but could certainly qualify for bowl contention if a few things break our way. The offense should continue to improve throughout the course of the season; it is important to keep in perspective that they only have 3 games in the new system under their belts, and will get more efficient as they get more comfortable.

The defense is a major liability this year, but could improve as some injured players return, and some inexperienced players gain their sea legs. How much improvement—if any—is it realistic to expect this season remains to be seen.

Babers has a track record of his teams taking a monumental step forward in year 2. If that happens next year, then it will make the year 1 growing pains worth it. The staff continues to demonstrate that they can recruit at a higher level than their predecessors. This will eventually pay off, and help accelerate the "rebuild" as Babers crafts the team in his own image. Honestly, the future looks bright—even if the results in week 2 and 3 [and future beat downs against FSU and Clemson likely] have some scratching their heads and doubting the approach.

Ultimately, Babers was probably right when he said that things would take time—maybe as much as 12 months longer than he expected. We've already seen a positive transformation on offense; once the personnel fits the new defensive scheme better, we should see improved performance on that side of the ball, as well.

Having a half-empty Dome isn't going to impress any recruits, but luckily the staff has lined up more than 2/3 of the class already. Now, they have to hang onto them. And if they could ever win some games, they might generate enough buzz to put butts in seats for the remaining home games.


Let's Go Orange!!!

Excellent post. I have absolute faith in Babers and will continue to even if we don't win a single game this year.

That said, it is possible to accept most if your post at face value and draw different conclusions. I don't agree with bccub's analysis, but even if I did it is a big stretch to reach the conclusion of equivalence with the Houston talent. Most recruits are two or three stars and it makes a huge difference where they rank within those categories. Houston also has some talented freshmen and sophomores on the second team that we do not yet have.

Anyway, I continue to believe that we do not yet have the numbers. Our secondary will probably be a problem for another couple of seasons and without a pass rush we will have a tough time stopping ACC teams.

We are simply going to have to out score people. Would be surprised if we make bowl this year, but 2017 should be a different story.

I am prepared to be patient.
 
So, bccubs's post disputing the lack of talent made me start thinking about our current roster, and the short term / long term prognosis at a couple of key positions that have been trouble spots this year. Here's the breakdown, as I see it, position by position; I'm curious to see what others think, or if they see things differently in terms of each unit's short / long term potential, given what the new staff has in the recruiting pipeline:


Quarterback: Eric Dungey is a potential stud who has already taken too much punishment in week 3. His arm looks a little tired, and he's made some bad throws in recent games that are partially attributable to how quickly the pocket is breaking down around him. When he has time to throw, he's shown nice accuracy, and appears to be a very strong fit for Babers's system. Even when he's not playing exceptionally well, he's putting up numbers that we would have killed for in recent years in what is essentially a "C" game for him. Also important to keep in mind that he's a true sophomore who missed significant developmental time last year, is learning his second system in two years, and is only in game 3 of figuring things out. Mahoney seems to have improved his accuracy, and gives us a quality backup with actual game experience, that enabled us to redshirt our true frosh QB. Culpepper arrived in January and participated in spring practice, and now isn't being rushed onto the field. Devito blew up after we offered him. With Dungey in the fold for two more years, and those two waiting in the wings, the future looks bright at QB [finally]. And once we start putting up video game numbers in Baber's system, we should have no shortage of QB prospects who want to come play here down the road.

Short term potential: Good, provided Dungey can remain upright
Long term potential: Strong



Running Back: I like the raw materials in the pipeline, but we really need at least one bigger back [Jo-El Shaw would have helped address this issue]. Fredricks was terrific last year, but struggled this offseason to remain in shape and is now the platoon back. Strickland [on paper] seems like a better fit for how the coaching staff envisions using the RB position, but he's been inconsistent so far this season. The play of the OL is undoubtedly holding this unit back a bit. We have both of these guys back for two more full years after this one. Moe Neal has primarily played backup running back, but looks tailor made for the same role Ervin Philips is playing now. Stritzinger arrives next year with an impressive offer list and a chance to carve out a niche / bolster depth. Did I mentioned that we need a bigger back in the fold?

Short term potential: Hopefully, the USF game was a sign that the running game is starting to click
Long term potential: Solid



Wide Receiver: Amba Etta-Tawo has been a freaking godsend. And Philips has smoothly transitioned to WR after playing a hybrid role the previous two years. Those two make our offense dynamic and potentially explosive. Estime isn't in as prominent of a role, but still a big play threat as evidenced by his TD catch against USF. Interestingly, Ishmael has been in more of a complimentary role this season. Custis and Enoicy probably won't see much time, and probably never will at this point as the coaching staff bring in their own players. Neither Butler nor Riley have factored in much, but are gaining valuable experience and will figure to step into more prominent roles next year. Butler in particular brings an intriguing blend of size / athleticism to the position. Scoop Bradshaw moved here during camp, and probably won't see much time [if any] this year, but could make a splash down the road]. And we're adding a ton of WR talent to the fold next year that on paper appears to enhance the position's speed, size, and playmaking. Nykeim Johnson is small but elusive, Sharod Johnson is kicking a$$ at a big time program in Florida, and Cameron Jordan / Josh Palmer bring some much needed size to the position. Remains to be seen whether Thompson-Bishop ends up here on in the secondary. He's got the athleticism to excel at either spot.

Short term potential: Etta-Tawo and Philips have impressed, and the depth here is quality
Long term potential: Need to replace Etta-Tawo's deep threat next year, but the future looks bright



Tight End: Not much to get excited about here. Paris has battled injuries and can't get on the field. Moore has also battled injuries. Legacy Georgetown transfer MacPherson is a stop gap, but not a difference maker. Clark [who ended up at Pitt] would have been a perfect fit for this offense. Things are so dire at TE, that the staff moved Kenneth Ruff [who'd spent the offseason at LB and DE] to TE, just to bolster the unit. Whether he remains there long term remains to be seen. Unbelievably, next season, things might actually be WORSE at this positional unit. A true frosh could contend for a starting position next year, which generally isn't a formula for success. For next year, we have Aaron Hackett lined up to commit, but he'll need to mature a bit physically to handle the full set of responsibilities [6-3 225 right now]. The staff may have backed off of Charles Reeves due to academic concerns, who has the physical tools to play right away. What happens with him is up in the air. The staff will need to add at least one more prospect here to just fill in the depth chart, given what we'll lose this offseason.

Short term potential: Won't get much production from this group this season
Long term potential: Might need to look down the road for this position to be optimized. Hopefully, the way Babers utilizes TEs in his offense will be attractive to prospective recruits so we can beef up at this position of need



Offensive Line: The OL has struggled this year [really, the past two years]. We don't seem to hold up at the line of attack in terms of opening holes for the running game OR in pass protection – a bad combo. RT has been a sieve. But we do have a couple of solid pieces of the puzzle. Byrne shifting in to a starting role is intriguing, because he figures to improve the run blocking potential of this unit, and starting a sophomore [Conway] at LT bodes well for the next two years. The question is: are the redshirt frosh better than some of the incumbents? Babers has put together back-to-back solid classes of prospects at OL [which seems like a perpetual trouble spot for SU]. We need time for the true frosh Babers brought in [who are all tall but undersized and need to fill out] to get to their eventual playing weights. Once they do, I think the raw materials will be there for better performance than what we've had the past few years. Until then, I think the OL struggles will continue. Incoming recruits Patrick Davis / Dakota Davis are BIG boys who will help stock the pipeline.

Short term potential: The OL has been the major trouble spot on offense, and doesn't figure to get better this year
Long term potential: Figures to improve in another year or two



Defensive Tackle: The strength of a much-maligned defense is undoubtedly at DT, where we have three players who are all capable of starting in Kayton Samuels, Steve Clark, and Chris Slayton [who's been forced to play out of position at DE—more on this below]—three sophomores. This group's best football is ahead of them, and they will form the foundation of what will hopefully be an improved defense once the team gets acclimated to the Tampa 2 and other positional units around them improve. Behind them, Tyler Cross and Anthony Guidice provide depth, and tall but slightly undersized McKinley Williams figures to make a splash down the road as he adds size and gets immersed in a collegiate strength and conditioning program. The staff is bringing in a big DT prospect in Curtis Harper who was reportedly the staff's top choice at DT. If they can get anything from Cross / Guidice / Williams, this group appears to be well stocked for the long term.

Short term potential: Good, and will only improve over time
Long term potential: Strong for the next couple of years, especially if the staff continues to add prospects like Williams / Harper



Defensive End: The DE position is a confusing in that this group epitomizes the futility of the defense's struggles this year AND offers reasons for optimism down the road. Depleted by the defection of the unit's best player, Ron Thompson [who tossed his ring into NFL draft contention this past offseason], the Orange returned no players who were part of last year's rotation, and no players who'd even played a snap in their collegiate careers. The Orange seemed to have landed a player who would have bolstered the unit in FCS transfer Gabe Sherrod, but the coaching staff pulled his scholarship over his continued flirtations with Michigan State. In his place, they brought in 5th year transfer De'jon Wilson, who didn't play much at Colorado. He's more of a depth guy than an impact player. The situation is so dire that the staff moved Slayton outside to DE from his more natural position at DT in an attempt to get the "best" DL on the field together. This move was necessary because the rest of the unit is manned by frosh—including 3 true frosh. Jake Pickard had offers from Wisconsin and Michigan, and is being counted on to produce. He was injured at the end of preseason camp, and just now getting his sea legs back. The trio of true frosh [Black, Newton, and Coleman] aren't ready for prime time yet, but in two years, this unit—which is a liability this season—could end up turning into a position of strength. Right now, they're a little behind the curve. The staff has already lined up Zach Morton [from an impressive high school program in Detroit] to bolster the unit down the road.

Short term potential: This group doesn't seem like it will generate much pass rush this year, or make too many plays behind the line of scrimmage. They also struggle to contain, which is as much about the new system / general inexperience as anything
Long term potential: Newton had impressive offers coming out of HS. Ditto Pickard. And I like the potential of Black / Coleman [who has actually garnered the most PT of the frosh, and earned a starting role]. With a year or two under their belts, this group could develop, but it is going to take time. The lack of depth at this position forced all three incoming frosh onto the field, which is unfortunate. Hopefully that won't be an issue moving forward, as we should be able to field a nice rotation with these four over the next couple of years.



Linebacker: Last year, Franklin and Bennett were the rocks of the defense, displaying speed, instincts and playmaking. This year, they are still the unit's best players, but look to be a half-step slower due to the new system. Make no mistake: I love these two, and they both could / should improve once they get more familiar with their new responsibilities. Both of these guys [Franklin in particular] struggle to cover, which is a problem for a MLB in the Tampa 2, and both are a bit undersized for the new system. The third position is less settled, with Jonathan Thomas [who is even more undersized] manning the WILL. Similarly small Ted Taylor backs him up, with Marquez Hodge [former starter] backing up the other two spots. Shyheim Cullen is emerging as a special teams ace, but hasn't gotten much PT otherwise. The group hasn't gotten any contributions from Alryk Perry or any of the other remaining LBs. The main issues with this unit stem from the group being the types of players that the old staff coveted—smaller and faster—while the new coaching staff needs bigger LBs that will hold up better against the run and also drop into coverage to take away the middle of the field. Fortunately, help is on the way. Last year, Babers brought in two LB prospects [Andrew Armstrong and Tim Walton] who are bigger [both 6-2] than the current group of starters [who are all in the 6-0 range]. And the staff has lined up a trio of LB prospects, including the highly rated Nadarius Fagan [6-2 195], Kadeem Trotter [6-3 196], and Tyrell Richards [6-2 220]. While the former two need to add sand to the bucket, the bigger frames should make them better equipped to handle the responsibilities of LBs in the Tampa 2.

Short term potential: Solid—Franklin and Bennett are a nice nucleus, even if undersized, and should help bridge the gap until the newer players grow into their frames.
Long term potential: The newcomers [including Walton / Armstrong] should be able to get into the 235+ range without sacrificing speed, which is in marked contrast to the size of the current group. It will be interesting to see if a prospect like Fagan contends for a starting role next year, or whether he'll need a year in the S&C program to crack the lineup.



Cornerback: Scary is the word that comes to mind when discussing the depth constraints we're facing at this position. No positional group had a more maligned off-season than the secondary, which had two players get stabbed, two others who weren't admitted to school, and a host of injuries to deal with IN ADDITION to learning a new system. Cory Winfield has been the best CB on the team last season and this year, but the lack of pass rush up front has exposed this group in coverage. Juwan Dowels, the other starter, was lost for the season with a broken arm. Cordell Hudson [RS] has stepped in and has struggled a bit. The depth situation is so poor that true frosh Carl Jones has been rushed onto the two deep. He'll take his lumps this year, but will be better for it down the road, and he has the requisite size [6-2] for the Tampa 2. The group could really use Wayne Morgan [who has struggled his entire career with technique] back, as he brings much needed depth / size to the position. Fellow frosh Scoop Bradshaw was shifted from CB to WR in camp, so there isn't much else in reserve—especially since JUCO transfer Michael Moore [6-3] did not meet eligibility requirements. He would have played a LOT.

Short term potential: This year is going to be rough. Injuries have really hurt this unit, as has the lack of pass rush
Long term potential: See "Safeties," below



Safeties: As with the CBs, this group has also been decimated by injuries. The key performers are also undersized. The team's best S, Antwan Cordy, plays SS despite being 5-8 175. He was last year's top performer in the secondary, but a broken arm in game 2 will have him on the sidelines the rest of the year. His replacement, Daivon Ellison, is a playmaker but also undersized [5-8 177]. The size differential has been both exaggerated and prominently noticeable against our last two opponents, Louisville and USF, where we often had 5-9 or shorter guys attempting to cover 6-4 wideouts. Rodney Williams, a part time starter last year, returns to the lineup after an off-season of injuries. He brings a little more height, but not much heft [186 pounds]. Chauncey Scissum [another part time starter] hasn't played as a function of injuries sustained during an off-season stabbing, but is the biggest player in the group. Redshirt frosh Christopher Frederick hasn't played much. Kielan Whitner struggled in a start against Louisville, and is now injured. True frosh Evan Foster and Devon Clarke bring some much needed size to the position, but Clarke has been injured the entire preseason and likely will not play this year. This unit would have bolstered by James Pierre, a three star S from North Carolina, but he was not admitted to school.

Short term potential: Bleak, although Ellison has emerged as a playmaker
Long term potential: Help is on the way. The staff brought in a couple of prospects last year [Foster / Clarke] who improve the size of the S corps. It remains to be seen whether Pierre can rectify his issues via prep school and enroll in January, or whether he needs to go the JUCO route. For the class of 2017, the coaching staff has lined up a trio of players who will bring an infusion of athleticism into the secondary in Eric Coley [6-1], Ifeatu Melifonwu [6-3], and Russell Thompson-Bishop [6-2]. It remains to be seen whether these guys end up at CB, S, or WR, but when combined with the class of 2016, should improve both the depth and the suitability of secondary personnel for the Tampa 2.

So where does all of the above leave us?


Short term prognosis: In general, the conversion to new systems is further along on the offensive side of the ball, due to having better personnel capable of thriving in the new system [despite limitations at OL and TE]. The blocking has been subpar and needs to improve, but the offensive potential is there for this team to score a lot of points against peer programs.

Even though we took it on the chin against Louisville [who have suddenly emerged as a legitimate playoff contender, after dismantling #2 FSU] and a high powered USF offense, the Orange have the potential to score a couple of important W's in the next couple of games. These peer programs will provide a much better barometer of where things stand than Louisville did.

At a high level, the transformation toward markedly improved offensive play has been significant, and consistent with Babers's previous two stops. Our statistical performance will improve over the next couple of games; although we struggled at times against Louisville / USF, not every team will have the caliber of athletes that they have—which should enable the offense to score more points. We have winnable games against uconn, bc, and wake. The questions are:
  1. Can the offense light up the scoreboard against such opponents, and
  2. Will the defense slow teams down enough to enable us to outscore them?
Games against NC state, VT, and Pitt could be winnable if those two questions get answered positively.

On defense, we need to surround our quality corps of DT with DEs who are more experienced and who can help generate an improved pass rush, we need bigger LBs, and we need to add depth / talent to the secondary. Many of the pieces of the puzzle are on the roster already; more reinforcements arrive in the class of 2017. And of course, it will help as the group get increasingly acclimated to / comfortable with the new defensive system—enabling them to just react and play instead of thinking and playing a half step slower since the system isn't instinctive for the group yet.


Long term prognosis:

The coaching staff tore off the band aid in implementing new systems on both sides of the ball, and the defensive personnel that aren't optimized for Tampa 2 are struggling a bit as a result. Injuries to several key players have only exacerbated the situation on D. The question is, how quickly will it take for the newbies to round into form as contributors… and will they benefit from being thrown to the wolves early by gaining valuable game experience that they can use to build upon in the off-season?

The team is staring a 4-8 or a 5-7 type of season in the face, but could certainly qualify for bowl contention if a few things break our way. The offense should continue to improve throughout the course of the season; it is important to keep in perspective that they only have 3 games in the new system under their belts, and will get more efficient as they get more comfortable.

The defense is a major liability this year, but could improve as some injured players return, and some inexperienced players gain their sea legs. How much improvement—if any—is it realistic to expect this season remains to be seen.

Babers has a track record of his teams taking a monumental step forward in year 2. If that happens next year, then it will make the year 1 growing pains worth it. The staff continues to demonstrate that they can recruit at a higher level than their predecessors. This will eventually pay off, and help accelerate the "rebuild" as Babers crafts the team in his own image. Honestly, the future looks bright—even if the results in week 2 and 3 [and future beat downs against FSU and Clemson likely] have some scratching their heads and doubting the approach.

Ultimately, Babers was probably right when he said that things would take time—maybe as much as 12 months longer than he expected. We've already seen a positive transformation on offense; once the personnel fits the new defensive scheme better, we should see improved performance on that side of the ball, as well.

Having a half-empty Dome isn't going to impress any recruits, but luckily the staff has lined up more than 2/3 of the class already. Now, they have to hang onto them. And if they could ever win some games, they might generate enough buzz to put butts in seats for the remaining home games.


Let's Go Orange!!!
Well done!

Re Defensive Ends: I think you meant "Nelson" rather than "Newton".
 
Excellent post. I have absolute faith in Babers and will continue to even if we don't win a single game this year.

That said, it is possible to accept most if your post at face value and draw different conclusions. I don't agree with bccub's analysis, but even if I did it is a big stretch to reach the conclusion of equivalence with the Houston talent. Most recruits are two or three stars and it makes a huge difference where they rank within those categories. Houston also has some talented freshmen and sophomores on the second team that we do not yet have.

Anyway, I continue to believe that we do not yet have the numbers. Our secondary will probably be a problem for another couple of seasons and without a pass rush we will have a tough time stopping ACC teams.

We are simply going to have to out score people. Would be surprised if we make bowl this year, but 2017 should be a different story.

I am prepared to be patient.

Agree 100%. As discussed above, we have SEVERAL positional units [OL, TE, DE, LB, CB, and S] where we need to improve the talent and bring in the right system fits. That's a lot of groups that aren't optimized for the new system--especially on the defensive side of the ball.

And of those groups, I think we've made strides at OL, DE, LB--or about half of those groups. CB and S are such trouble spots, it remains, but I think we're moving the needle in the right direction. The situation at TE might take a few years to rectify.

The part of bccub's analysis that I agreed with is that you can be successful recruiting quality three star recruits, if they are strong system fits. That's our sweet spot--always will be. Land three stars who fit what we're trying to do, and hopefully sprinkle in an occasional 4 star or 5 star, and we'll be good.

Where I disagreed with him was on the current talent being adequate. It is at some positional units, and in some individual cases at other positions, but lacking across the board in many others. And in many instances, the returning starters are not great fits for the new systems [especially on defense, at many positions] that it somewhat mitigates the general "benefit" you get from having returning starters.

The good news is that there is a qualitative difference in offer lists since the Babers staff has taken over compared to the recruits from the previous three staffs. That's a trend that needs to continue, regardless of how this season turns out. And I'm not writing off this season--at all.
 
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Nice summary of where the roster stands.

In fairness, though, we would need to try some comparisons to what our ACC rivals can roll out; or at least to what SU has had when we had winning seasons. And, I would add some footnotes that in many cases we don't know enough to make good comparisons.

At QB, for example, where are we behind Dungey? We haven't seen Mahoney in any meaningful game segments this season. Last season, he was effective in an option attack that played to his skills. And in Babers' offense?

At RB, Strickland had one excellent quarter against South Florida. And that is about it, so can we judge how our RB talent compares to the RBs of ACC rivals? Could use a highly rated RB as Dino closes this cycle.

WR -- we have 4 good ones now, but we haven't seen much of Butler or Bradshaw or any other back-up, so what evaluations can be made? If any of the top 4 were to be injured, I suspect we would be scrambling to fill in, but that is just a guess. Do we know enough to project whether any of the commits can step in next year and have an immediate impact? More than Ishmeal provided in 2014?

OL -- was reassuring to see Byrne step in at C, and Adams at R-OG for some late play against South Florida -- these are big young linemen. Of the true frosh, Clark is already 304 and Servais is up to 291 (per roster weights), so they should be ready to contribute next season -- bigger than Conway is this season. Heckel (280) was listed as #2 center in one of depth charts. How are these true frosh performing in practices?

DL -- Coleman at DE and Black & Williams at DT are playing out of necessity, but they have looked promising. The issue is whether any of this bunch, or any recruit, will develop into a pass rusher or an above average run stopper. The unit will improve, but how far up the ACC food chain?

LB and DB -- I am not sure we have seen enough of any of the guys in the wings. Carl Jones has had some snaps and seems promising.
 
Nice summary of where the roster stands.

In fairness, though, we would need to try some comparisons to what our ACC rivals can roll out; or at least to what SU has had when we had winning seasons. And, I would add some footnotes that in many cases we don't know enough to make good comparisons.

At QB, for example, where are we behind Dungey? We haven't seen Mahoney in any meaningful game segments this season. Last season, he was effective in an option attack that played to his skills. And in Babers' offense?

At RB, Strickland had one excellent quarter against South Florida. And that is about it, so can we judge how our RB talent compares to the RBs of ACC rivals? Could use a highly rated RB as Dino closes this cycle.

WR -- we have 4 good ones now, but we haven't seen much of Butler or Bradshaw or any other back-up, so what evaluations can be made? If any of the top 4 were to be injured, I suspect we would be scrambling to fill in, but that is just a guess. Do we know enough to project whether any of the commits can step in next year and have an immediate impact? More than Ishmeal provided in 2014?

OL -- was reassuring to see Byrne step in at C, and Adams at R-OG for some late play against South Florida -- these are big young linemen. Of the true frosh, Clark is already 304 and Servais is up to 291 (per roster weights), so they should be ready to contribute next season -- bigger than Conway is this season. Heckel (280) was listed as #2 center in one of depth charts. How are these true frosh performing in practices?

DL -- Coleman at DE and Black & Williams at DT are playing out of necessity, but they have looked promising. The issue is whether any of this bunch, or any recruit, will develop into a pass rusher or an above average run stopper. The unit will improve, but how far up the ACC food chain?

LB and DB -- I am not sure we have seen enough of any of the guys in the wings. Carl Jones has had some snaps and seems promising.
FTR, Carl Jones is a DB. Did you mean Andrew Armstrong?
 
So, bccubs's post disputing the lack of talent made me start thinking about our current roster, and the short term / long term prognosis at a couple of key positions that have been trouble spots this year. Here's the breakdown, as I see it, position by position; I'm curious to see what others think, or if they see things differently in terms of each unit's short / long term potential, given what the new staff has in the recruiting pipeline:


Quarterback: Eric Dungey is a potential stud who has already taken too much punishment in week 3. His arm looks a little tired, and he's made some bad throws in recent games that are partially attributable to how quickly the pocket is breaking down around him. When he has time to throw, he's shown nice accuracy, and appears to be a very strong fit for Babers's system. Even when he's not playing exceptionally well, he's putting up numbers that we would have killed for in recent years in what is essentially a "C" game for him. Also important to keep in mind that he's a true sophomore who missed significant developmental time last year, is learning his second system in two years, and is only in game 3 of figuring things out. Mahoney seems to have improved his accuracy, and gives us a quality backup with actual game experience, that enabled us to redshirt our true frosh QB. Culpepper arrived in January and participated in spring practice, and now isn't being rushed onto the field. Devito blew up after we offered him. With Dungey in the fold for two more years, and those two waiting in the wings, the future looks bright at QB [finally]. And once we start putting up video game numbers in Baber's system, we should have no shortage of QB prospects who want to come play here down the road.

Short term potential: Good, provided Dungey can remain upright
Long term potential: Strong



Running Back: I like the raw materials in the pipeline, but we really need at least one bigger back [Jo-El Shaw would have helped address this issue]. Fredricks was terrific last year, but struggled this offseason to remain in shape and is now the platoon back. Strickland [on paper] seems like a better fit for how the coaching staff envisions using the RB position, but he's been inconsistent so far this season. The play of the OL is undoubtedly holding this unit back a bit. We have both of these guys back for two more full years after this one. Moe Neal has primarily played backup running back, but looks tailor made for the same role Ervin Philips is playing now. Stritzinger arrives next year with an impressive offer list and a chance to carve out a niche / bolster depth. Did I mentioned that we need a bigger back in the fold?

Short term potential: Hopefully, the USF game was a sign that the running game is starting to click
Long term potential: Solid



Wide Receiver: Amba Etta-Tawo has been a freaking godsend. And Philips has smoothly transitioned to WR after playing a hybrid role the previous two years. Those two make our offense dynamic and potentially explosive. Estime isn't in as prominent of a role, but still a big play threat as evidenced by his TD catch against USF. Interestingly, Ishmael has been in more of a complimentary role this season. Custis and Enoicy probably won't see much time, and probably never will at this point as the coaching staff bring in their own players. Neither Butler nor Riley have factored in much, but are gaining valuable experience and will figure to step into more prominent roles next year. Butler in particular brings an intriguing blend of size / athleticism to the position. Scoop Bradshaw moved here during camp, and probably won't see much time [if any] this year, but could make a splash down the road]. And we're adding a ton of WR talent to the fold next year that on paper appears to enhance the position's speed, size, and playmaking. Nykeim Johnson is small but elusive, Sharod Johnson is kicking a$$ at a big time program in Florida, and Cameron Jordan / Josh Palmer bring some much needed size to the position. Remains to be seen whether Thompson-Bishop ends up here on in the secondary. He's got the athleticism to excel at either spot.

Short term potential: Etta-Tawo and Philips have impressed, and the depth here is quality
Long term potential: Need to replace Etta-Tawo's deep threat next year, but the future looks bright



Tight End: Not much to get excited about here. Paris has battled injuries and can't get on the field. Moore has also battled injuries. Legacy Georgetown transfer MacPherson is a stop gap, but not a difference maker. Clark [who ended up at Pitt] would have been a perfect fit for this offense. Things are so dire at TE, that the staff moved Kenneth Ruff [who'd spent the offseason at LB and DE] to TE, just to bolster the unit. Whether he remains there long term remains to be seen. Unbelievably, next season, things might actually be WORSE at this positional unit. A true frosh could contend for a starting position next year, which generally isn't a formula for success. For next year, we have Aaron Hackett lined up to commit, but he'll need to mature a bit physically to handle the full set of responsibilities [6-3 225 right now]. The staff may have backed off of Charles Reeves due to academic concerns, who has the physical tools to play right away. What happens with him is up in the air. The staff will need to add at least one more prospect here to just fill in the depth chart, given what we'll lose this offseason.

Short term potential: Won't get much production from this group this season
Long term potential: Might need to look down the road for this position to be optimized. Hopefully, the way Babers utilizes TEs in his offense will be attractive to prospective recruits so we can beef up at this position of need



Offensive Line: The OL has struggled this year [really, the past two years]. We don't seem to hold up at the line of attack in terms of opening holes for the running game OR in pass protection – a bad combo. RT has been a sieve. But we do have a couple of solid pieces of the puzzle. Byrne shifting in to a starting role is intriguing, because he figures to improve the run blocking potential of this unit, and starting a sophomore [Conway] at LT bodes well for the next two years. The question is: are the redshirt frosh better than some of the incumbents? Babers has put together back-to-back solid classes of prospects at OL [which seems like a perpetual trouble spot for SU]. We need time for the true frosh Babers brought in [who are all tall but undersized and need to fill out] to get to their eventual playing weights. Once they do, I think the raw materials will be there for better performance than what we've had the past few years. Until then, I think the OL struggles will continue. Incoming recruits Patrick Davis / Dakota Davis are BIG boys who will help stock the pipeline.

Short term potential: The OL has been the major trouble spot on offense, and doesn't figure to get better this year
Long term potential: Figures to improve in another year or two



Defensive Tackle: The strength of a much-maligned defense is undoubtedly at DT, where we have three players who are all capable of starting in Kayton Samuels, Steve Clark, and Chris Slayton [who's been forced to play out of position at DE—more on this below]—three sophomores. This group's best football is ahead of them, and they will form the foundation of what will hopefully be an improved defense once the team gets acclimated to the Tampa 2 and other positional units around them improve. Behind them, Tyler Cross and Anthony Guidice provide depth, and tall but slightly undersized McKinley Williams figures to make a splash down the road as he adds size and gets immersed in a collegiate strength and conditioning program. The staff is bringing in a big DT prospect in Curtis Harper who was reportedly the staff's top choice at DT. If they can get anything from Cross / Guidice / Williams, this group appears to be well stocked for the long term.

Short term potential: Good, and will only improve over time
Long term potential: Strong for the next couple of years, especially if the staff continues to add prospects like Williams / Harper



Defensive End: The DE position is a confusing in that this group epitomizes the futility of the defense's struggles this year AND offers reasons for optimism down the road. Depleted by the defection of the unit's best player, Ron Thompson [who tossed his ring into NFL draft contention this past offseason], the Orange returned no players who were part of last year's rotation, and no players who'd even played a snap in their collegiate careers. The Orange seemed to have landed a player who would have bolstered the unit in FCS transfer Gabe Sherrod, but the coaching staff pulled his scholarship over his continued flirtations with Michigan State. In his place, they brought in 5th year transfer De'jon Wilson, who didn't play much at Colorado. He's more of a depth guy than an impact player. The situation is so dire that the staff moved Slayton outside to DE from his more natural position at DT in an attempt to get the "best" DL on the field together. This move was necessary because the rest of the unit is manned by frosh—including 3 true frosh. Jake Pickard had offers from Wisconsin and Michigan, and is being counted on to produce. He was injured at the end of preseason camp, and just now getting his sea legs back. The trio of true frosh [Black, Nelson, and Coleman] aren't ready for prime time yet, but in two years, this unit—which is a liability this season—could end up turning into a position of strength. Right now, they're a little behind the curve. The staff has already lined up Zach Morton [from an impressive high school program in Detroit] to bolster the unit down the road.

Short term potential: This group doesn't seem like it will generate much pass rush this year, or make too many plays behind the line of scrimmage. They also struggle to contain, which is as much about the new system / general inexperience as anything
Long term potential: Nelson had impressive offers coming out of HS. Ditto Pickard. And I like the potential of Black / Coleman [who has actually garnered the most PT of the frosh, and earned a starting role]. With a year or two under their belts, this group could develop, but it is going to take time. The lack of depth at this position forced all three incoming frosh onto the field, which is unfortunate. Hopefully that won't be an issue moving forward, as we should be able to field a nice rotation with these four over the next couple of years.



Linebacker: Last year, Franklin and Bennett were the rocks of the defense, displaying speed, instincts and playmaking. This year, they are still the unit's best players, but look to be a half-step slower due to the new system. Make no mistake: I love these two, and they both could / should improve once they get more familiar with their new responsibilities. Both of these guys [Franklin in particular] struggle to cover, which is a problem for a MLB in the Tampa 2, and both are a bit undersized for the new system. The third position is less settled, with Jonathan Thomas [who is even more undersized] manning the WILL. Similarly small Ted Taylor backs him up, with Marquez Hodge [former starter] backing up the other two spots. Shyheim Cullen is emerging as a special teams ace, but hasn't gotten much PT otherwise. The group hasn't gotten any contributions from Alryk Perry or any of the other remaining LBs. The main issues with this unit stem from the group being the types of players that the old staff coveted—smaller and faster—while the new coaching staff needs bigger LBs that will hold up better against the run and also drop into coverage to take away the middle of the field. Fortunately, help is on the way. Last year, Babers brought in two LB prospects [Andrew Armstrong and Tim Walton] who are bigger [both 6-2] than the current group of starters [who are all in the 6-0 range]. And the staff has lined up a trio of LB prospects, including the highly rated Nadarius Fagan [6-2 195], Kadeem Trotter [6-3 196], and Tyrell Richards [6-2 220]. While the former two need to add sand to the bucket, the bigger frames should make them better equipped to handle the responsibilities of LBs in the Tampa 2.

Short term potential: Solid—Franklin and Bennett are a nice nucleus, even if undersized, and should help bridge the gap until the newer players grow into their frames.
Long term potential: The newcomers [including Walton / Armstrong] should be able to get into the 235+ range without sacrificing speed, which is in marked contrast to the size of the current group. It will be interesting to see if a prospect like Fagan contends for a starting role next year, or whether he'll need a year in the S&C program to crack the lineup.



Cornerback: Scary is the word that comes to mind when discussing the depth constraints we're facing at this position. No positional group had a more maligned off-season than the secondary, which had two players get stabbed, two others who weren't admitted to school, and a host of injuries to deal with IN ADDITION to learning a new system. Cory Winfield has been the best CB on the team last season and this year, but the lack of pass rush up front has exposed this group in coverage. Juwan Dowels, the other starter, was lost for the season with a broken arm. Cordell Hudson [RS] has stepped in and has struggled a bit. The depth situation is so poor that true frosh Carl Jones has been rushed onto the two deep. He'll take his lumps this year, but will be better for it down the road, and he has the requisite size [6-2] for the Tampa 2. The group could really use Wayne Morgan [who has struggled his entire career with technique] back, as he brings much needed depth / size to the position. Fellow frosh Scoop Bradshaw was shifted from CB to WR in camp, so there isn't much else in reserve—especially since JUCO transfer Michael Moore [6-3] did not meet eligibility requirements. He would have played a LOT.

Short term potential: This year is going to be rough. Injuries have really hurt this unit, as has the lack of pass rush
Long term potential: See "Safeties," below



Safeties: As with the CBs, this group has also been decimated by injuries. The key performers are also undersized. The team's best S, Antwan Cordy, plays SS despite being 5-8 175. He was last year's top performer in the secondary, but a broken arm in game 2 will have him on the sidelines the rest of the year. His replacement, Daivon Ellison, is a playmaker but also undersized [5-8 177]. The size differential has been both exaggerated and prominently noticeable against our last two opponents, Louisville and USF, where we often had 5-9 or shorter guys attempting to cover 6-4 wideouts. Rodney Williams, a part time starter last year, returns to the lineup after an off-season of injuries. He brings a little more height, but not much heft [186 pounds]. Chauncey Scissum [another part time starter] hasn't played as a function of injuries sustained during an off-season stabbing, but is the biggest player in the group. Redshirt frosh Christopher Frederick hasn't played much. Kielan Whitner struggled in a start against Louisville, and is now injured. True frosh Evan Foster and Devon Clarke bring some much needed size to the position, but Clarke has been injured the entire preseason and likely will not play this year. This unit would have bolstered by James Pierre, a three star S from North Carolina, but he was not admitted to school.

Short term potential: Bleak, although Ellison has emerged as a playmaker
Long term potential: Help is on the way. The staff brought in a couple of prospects last year [Foster / Clarke] who improve the size of the S corps. It remains to be seen whether Pierre can rectify his issues via prep school and enroll in January, or whether he needs to go the JUCO route. For the class of 2017, the coaching staff has lined up a trio of players who will bring an infusion of athleticism into the secondary in Eric Coley [6-1], Ifeatu Melifonwu [6-3], and Russell Thompson-Bishop [6-2]. It remains to be seen whether these guys end up at CB, S, or WR, but when combined with the class of 2016, should improve both the depth and the suitability of secondary personnel for the Tampa 2.

So where does all of the above leave us?


Short term prognosis: In general, the conversion to new systems is further along on the offensive side of the ball, due to having better personnel capable of thriving in the new system [despite limitations at OL and TE]. The blocking has been subpar and needs to improve, but the offensive potential is there for this team to score a lot of points against peer programs.

Even though we took it on the chin against Louisville [who have suddenly emerged as a legitimate playoff contender, after dismantling #2 FSU] and a high powered USF offense, the Orange have the potential to score a couple of important W's in the next couple of games. These peer programs will provide a much better barometer of where things stand than Louisville did.

At a high level, the transformation toward markedly improved offensive play has been significant, and consistent with Babers's previous two stops. Our statistical performance will improve over the next couple of games; although we struggled at times against Louisville / USF, not every team will have the caliber of athletes that they have—which should enable the offense to score more points. We have winnable games against uconn, bc, and wake. The questions are:
  1. Can the offense light up the scoreboard against such opponents, and
  2. Will the defense slow teams down enough to enable us to outscore them?
Games against NC state, VT, and Pitt could be winnable if those two questions get answered positively.

On defense, we need to surround our quality corps of DT with DEs who are more experienced and who can help generate an improved pass rush, we need bigger LBs, and we need to add depth / talent to the secondary. Many of the pieces of the puzzle are on the roster already; more reinforcements arrive in the class of 2017. And of course, it will help as the group get increasingly acclimated to / comfortable with the new defensive system—enabling them to just react and play instead of thinking and playing a half step slower since the system isn't instinctive for the group yet.


Long term prognosis:

The coaching staff tore off the band aid in implementing new systems on both sides of the ball, and the defensive personnel that aren't optimized for Tampa 2 are struggling a bit as a result. Injuries to several key players have only exacerbated the situation on D. The question is, how quickly will it take for the newbies to round into form as contributors… and will they benefit from being thrown to the wolves early by gaining valuable game experience that they can use to build upon in the off-season?

The team is staring a 4-8 or a 5-7 type of season in the face, but could certainly qualify for bowl contention if a few things break our way. The offense should continue to improve throughout the course of the season; it is important to keep in perspective that they only have 3 games in the new system under their belts, and will get more efficient as they get more comfortable.

The defense is a major liability this year, but could improve as some injured players return, and some inexperienced players gain their sea legs. How much improvement—if any—is it realistic to expect this season remains to be seen.

Babers has a track record of his teams taking a monumental step forward in year 2. If that happens next year, then it will make the year 1 growing pains worth it. The staff continues to demonstrate that they can recruit at a higher level than their predecessors. This will eventually pay off, and help accelerate the "rebuild" as Babers crafts the team in his own image. Honestly, the future looks bright—even if the results in week 2 and 3 [and future beat downs against FSU and Clemson likely] have some scratching their heads and doubting the approach.

Ultimately, Babers was probably right when he said that things would take time—maybe as much as 12 months longer than he expected. We've already seen a positive transformation on offense; once the personnel fits the new defensive scheme better, we should see improved performance on that side of the ball, as well.

Having a half-empty Dome isn't going to impress any recruits, but luckily the staff has lined up more than 2/3 of the class already. Now, they have to hang onto them. And if they could ever win some games, they might generate enough buzz to put butts in seats for the remaining home games.


Let's Go Orange!!!
Thanks for taking the time for that impressive detailed write up. Very informative my friend. Great read.
 
I know Morgan and Custis have been hurt, but no idea if they come back.. Watching morgan playing catch pregame and moving around pretty well makes me wonder his injury is. Custis was supposedly playing pretty well in practices and would be a nice addition of size.

I think after we lose 2 WR we dont have a deep threat on the roster next year and Moe may well end up in the slot in Estimes spot so Rb depth goes down. the Fr will need to step up on offense next year at least 1 i suspect.

pass rushing DE , when SU has one like most teams, the D starts to look better.
 
I would like more size at WR, RB and back 7. Thank you.
 
FTR, Carl Jones is a DB. Did you mean Andrew Armstrong?
I meant Jones at CB is the only one of Babers' recruits (DB or LB) who has played meaningful snaps. Armstrong has played on specials.
We can list height & weight for true frosh, or list our commits for these positions. That is fine, but we don't have much to go on in projecting how much impact they can have this season or next.
 
Yup. There aren't many posters here as good (and articulate) as RF2044

High praise, coming from you, B.

But thank you.
 
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Do we have any idea if Custis and Womack are redshirting? I'm optimistic about Michael Clark as a tackle down the road and it will be interesting to see how the inside of the OL shapes up next year. Byrne, Heckel, Adams, Roberts. Don't know if Clausman takes a step forward, but should definitely be able to keep redshirting incoming OL, let's hope. Has Heckel been forced into action yet?
 

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