They’ve stopped playing for him.

[Orangezoo]

It’s not the zone.

It's a part of it but not all of it.

 

[djorange1989]

Maybe the breakfast buffet table, but that’s about it.

Hey, our crew is all class, it will be a seafood dinner buffet

 

[OrangePA]

It's a part of it but not all of it.

A match up zone is essentially a help out man to man defense.

It’s more likely a talent issue.

 

[rocfan44]

Stop with this narrative. UVA just lost to BC. did they stop playing for Tony?

 

[hoopsupstate]

In support of the players, when you keep getting killed by doing the same thing on defense, they know they can only do so much. Teams with a good inside game and a couple of shooters are going to riddle the zone. This is what we’re seeing. Teams use to dread playing against the zone. Now they salivate when they see it. They know they will get good looks or dunks. JB is the only one left who thinks you can beat good teams playing all zone. I don’t know what JB can say to this team. Pitt is going to manhandle this team on Saturday. They can shoot and are physical. This team is the definition of being not tough.

 

[SU91]

In support of the players, when you keep getting killed by doing the same thing on defense, they know they can only do so much. Teams with a good inside game and a couple of shooters are going to riddle the zone. This is what we’re seeing. Teams use to dread playing against the zone. Now they salivate when they see it. They know they will get good looks or dunks. JB is the only one left who thinks you can beat good teams playing ball zone. I don’t know what JB can say to this team. Pitt is going to manhandle this team on Saturday. They can shoot and are physical. This team is the definition of being not tough.

Scheme sucks on both ends agreed. But, it’s the players. Again, acknowledging the sucky schemes, but we haven’t had the horses for YEARS. In fact, there’s been several years recently where any other coach with our roster wouldn’t have won 10 damn games, not 10. But, the talent is so underwhelming now, we’re just a bad team. Period. Game, set, match. No magic formula here. WE DO NOT HAVE GOOD ENOUGH PLAYERS. Pure and simple. (obviously save for Judah on this team).

We are as soft as a wet roll of Charmin. Please god, please send me another DC, please!!! I beg you!!!!

 

[Orangezoo]

A match up zone is essentially a help out man to man defense.

It’s more likely a talent issue.

It's both. Evolution of the game and number of 3pt shots made and taken per game that outpaces tempo increase from the 30 second shot clock. This is also due to more shooters on the floor which then makes it much more difficult to cover in any zone defense.

Talent is less attracted to playing a zone defense but even more of the issue is that a zone D as the only defense makes it easier to prepare for.

More bigs are comfortable as a distributor in today's game on top of being a shooter. The days of two stiffs per lineup who don't want the ball are over. Thus the pass gets out faster and far less panicking.

Finally if you want a zone dominant team you need to sacrifice offense because you need a slow tempo team like the last team we had that was good in the zone back in 2018( 345 in tempo) that reduced possessions to help their cause but we still weren't good because of an anemic offense.

The analytics support all the changes in the game and reduced effectiveness of the zone that has been further amplified by less talent but is still a major issue. The most effective use in today's game is as a defense you can effectively switch into to confuse an offense.

It was a hell of a weapon for a long while- it's just not anymore.

 

[Scooch]

The talent has been subpar for years. We’d be mediocre playing any scheme defensively because the talent isn’t nearly good enough.

 

[Orangezoo]

The talent has been subpar for years. We’d be mediocre playing any scheme defensively because the talent isn’t nearly good enough.

For sure but the zone adds a degree of difficulty vs reducing it in today's game.

Maybe a 24 second clock might help some but overall the wealth of shooting ability and position less trends in basketball is a trend that continues to work against it.

 

[phil77]

Our talent is awful. We had players tonight that couldn't see minutes at non-P5 schools.

 

[MikeSU02]

That’s the last thing that happens.

I mean this sincerely, do you think he’s giving 100% to his FULL job?

I don’t.

And if the coach isn’t, I can’t fault the players for not.

 

[We Are Syracuse]

Not really true, they played until the end. Just the scheme stinks on both ends.

Been this way for a while… Really tough to overcome really poor coaching and I truly feel bad for the players more than anything.

 

[UpstateSM]

Exactly. I’ve said it all year. I have no idea what people thought they were watching. We stink. The ACC stinks

We would have a losing record against a Mountain West schedule. If the ACC was the ACC of 5 years we probably go 4-16.

JB is really fortunate with the timing of it all.

 

[Madbiker]

JB will complain about no production from the 3 position again. Well, who recruited all of them?

 

[Orangefizz]

I think they just stink. Benny and Bell are exactly what they’ve been when they got here. It’s poor scouting, recruiting, and coaching. These guys don’t belong in the ACC.

I disagree with this take. Bell and Benny both belong in the ACC, just as bench players playing spot minutes. Only Mintz and Jesse are ACC caliber starters

 

[CuseCPT]

I don't know if they've quit. If they are that unhappy they should also be motivated to get some good game film/stats for the transfer portal. I think a more likely explanation is that the sum of our talent and coaching doesn't have the firepower to keep Clemson's walk-ons from getting on the court in a late February conference game. At this point, it is what it is.

 

[two3zone]

I disagree with this take. Bell and Benny both belong in the ACC, just as bench players playing spot minutes. Only Mintz and Jesse are ACC caliber starters

Joe probably shouldn’t be starting in th e ACC and he is light years better than Bell.

 

[Oakland]

Our talent is awful. We had players tonight that couldn't see minutes at non-P5 schools.

While I agee that the talent level has significantly declined, I can think of a number of coaches that would have made this roster perform much better.

 

[phil77]

While I agee that the talent level has significantly declined, I can think of a number of coaches that would have made this roster perform much better.

If they were a good coach they wouldn't have the current roster

 

[AZOrange]

JB will complain about no production from the 3 position again. Well, who recruited all of them?

I have taught my 5/6 team to rebound in 10 weeks

 

[kcsu]

We have talent. Its not being used properly.

 

[jgeorge322]

Joe probably shouldn’t be starting in th e ACC and he is light years better than Bell.

Joe would be a great 6 or 7th man

 

[two3zone]

Joe would be a great 6 or 7th man

And that’s my point why Bell doesn’t belong in this league.

 

[Scooch]

We have talent. Its not being used properly.

We don’t have upper tier ACC talent.

We’ve recruited three top 100 players in the last 6 years. That’s abysmal.

 

[djcon57]

Joe would be a great 6 or 7th man

remember when he was the starting pg for 3 years? That was wild.