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What to expect behind those closed doors at UNC’s NCAA hearing in Nashville

By Andrew Carter

acarter@newsobserver.com

August 14, 2017 6:03 PM

CHAPEL HILL

After three years of an NCAA investigation and three notices of allegations, UNC-Chapel Hill on Wednesday will appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions in Nashville, Tenn. The hearing is expected to last until Thursday.

This is not an end point as much as it is a new beginning. In NCAA investigations involving serious allegations, as is the case at UNC, the appearance before the infractions committee is essentially an institution’s trial date – its chance to go before the NCAA’s judge and jury.

You might have questions about the appearance – ones, among others, about its significance, how it’s organized, what happens next. Here are some of those questions, and their answers:

Q. What happens during an infractions committee hearing?

A. The hearing affords all parties involved in an NCAA investigation an opportunity to state their case. It is analogous to the U.S. court system in that there are, essentially, prosecutors (the NCAA Enforcement Staff), defendants (the charged institution, and any of its associates – current or former coaches or employees, etc.) and a judge and jury (the infractions committee).

[Questions? Answers heading into North Carolina’s hearing with the NCAA]

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[At last, UNC has its date with the NCAA Committee on Infractions]

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[Complete coverage of the UNC academic scandal]

[It doesn’t matter how the NCAA rules in the UNC academic scandal case. The verdict is already in. — Jacobs]

During the hearing the enforcement staff and the institution – as well as any individuals who face allegations of wrongdoing – will have an opportunity to argue their positions relative to each of the allegations in the case. Members of the infractions committee will listen to both sides, and will have an opportunity to pose questions of their own.

Q. How is an infractions committee hearing organized?

A. Gene Marsh and Tom Yeager, two former infractions committee chairmen, recently described the set-up like this: imagine a large conference room with three long, rectangular tables set up to form an open square. The members of the infractions committee will sit behind the table in the middle, leaving two tables running down opposite sides of the room.

NCAA officials, including those from the enforcement staff, will sit at one of those tables. The other will be occupied by the university and its team. In UNC’s case, that will include chancellor Carol Folt, athletic director Bubba Cunningham and coaches Larry Fedora, Sylvia Hatchell and Roy Williams.

At the start of the hearing, there will be an introduction of all of the parties in the room. The university will give an opening statement. The enforcement staff will do the same. The enforcement staff will then introduce discussion of the first allegation, and the university will have a chance to respond.

Members of the infractions committee will have the chance to ask questions. Both the institution and the enforcement staff can make their case. Eventually, the proceedings will move on to the second allegation, and the third. UNC is facing five allegations.

Q. Who is on the infractions committee?

A. Seven NCAA Committee on Infractions members will hear UNC’s case. Those seven members, and their affiliations:

▪ Greg Sankey (committee chairman), Commissioner of the Southeastern Conference

▪ Carol Cartwright, president emerita of Kent State and Bowling Green State universities

▪ Alberto Gonzalez, dean and professor of law at Belmont University College of Law

▪ Eleanor Myers, law professor emerita and interim associate dean for students at Temple University

▪ Joseph Nova, retired college football coach, Northern Illinois University

▪ Larry Parkinson, director of Office of Enforcement for Federal Energy Regulatory Commission

▪ Jill Pilgrim, attorney and co-founder of Precise Advisory Group in New York, N.Y.

Q. What is the difference between the infractions committee and the enforcement staff?

A. They are separate organizations in the NCAA infractions process. Members of the enforcement staff are NCAA employees who are responsible for carrying out NCAA investigations and building cases. The enforcement staff, and its investigators, built the case against UNC.

Major NCAA infractions cases are then brought to the committee on infractions, which the NCAA describes as an “independent administrative body” charged with deciding these cases. The infractions committee is comprised, as the NCAA puts it, “of individuals serving as volunteers from NCAA member institutions and conferences and individuals from the general public who have legal training.”

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Q. Is the hearing open to the public?

A. The hearing is not open to the public, which is standard NCAA protocol. Infractions committee hearings are held behind closed doors, usually in large meeting rooms connected to hotels. Hearings are often held in Indianapolis, where the NCAA has its headquarters. It is not uncommon, though, for a hearing to be held outside of Indianapolis.

Q. Aside from listening and asking questions, what is the committee’s role during the hearing?

A. In addition to listening to the representatives on both sides of the case, and asking questions, the infractions committee also has the authority to adjust the charges that an institution faces. If the committee, for instance, believes that the enforcement staff hasn’t appropriately applied an NCAA bylaw to an allegation, then the committee can alter the charge.

In UNC’s case, this is noteworthy because the institution does not face any allegations of academic fraud, or academic misconduct, related to a case that, at its core, is about how years of bogus African Studies courses helped maintain athletic eligibility. The enforcement staff has instead framed this as an impermissible benefits case. The committee on infractions could potentially change that.

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The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is in the midst of an NCAA investigation into a system of fake classes taken by thousands of students, roughly half of them athletes, that spanned three decades. As the university awaits its punishment, the

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Q. How likely is that, and what would happen if the committee does add additional charges?

A. It’s probably unlikely. After years of delays, Greg Sankey, the chairman of the committee, has expressed a desire for this case to reach a timely conclusion. The university would welcome the end of this saga, as well.

If the committee does add new allegations, though, it would only extend a case that has now dragged on into its fourth year. A new charge, or new charges, also could potentially reset the case timeline, and add several months, at least, to the back end of the case.

Q. Why are Larry Fedora, Sylvia Hatchell and Roy Williams appearing before the committee?

A. The short answer: Their appearance was requested. Why the committee requested their appearance, though, isn’t exactly clear. No UNC coach has been charged with wrongdoing. Fedora, the football coach, began working at UNC in 2012, after the conclusion of the classes at the heart of the investigation.

To varying degrees, football, men’s basketball and women’s basketball have appeared at the greatest risk throughout the investigation. Though no sport has been charged with wrongdoing, the NCAA alleged that UNC used the bogus African Studies courses to maintain the eligibility of academically at-risk athletes, “particularly in the sports of football and men’s basketball.”

Fedora and Williams will be on hand, presumably, to address questions relating to their teams’ use of the courses in question. Hatchell, the women’s basketball coach, might also be asked about her team’s relationship with Jan Boxill, a former women’s basketball academic counselor who is charged with providing impermissible academic assistance to players.

Though football and basketball players accounted for the majority of enrollments in the bogus classes, athletes from several other sports, including baseball and women’s soccer, also took them. The committee only requested the presence of those three UNC coaches.

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In a press conference in October, UNC coach Syvial Hatchell told reporters that despite the last remaining member of the best recruiting class in school history transferring, and after her program found itself in the crosshairs of an NCAA investigation, and after a former player publicly decried her lack of a contract extension, UNC coach Sylvia Hatchell says, against all odds, all will be OK.

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Q. To what extent, if any, will possible penalties be discussed?

A. Penalties will be discussed. By the time the hearing ends on Thursday, UNC officials might have a good idea of what potential sanctions they face. The university will not know for sure – and it won’t know until the committee issues its final ruling – but the committee does have the latitude to discuss potential sanctions, and potential mitigating factors, during the hearing.

Q. What happens next?

A. More waiting. Nothing has moved quickly in the case and don’t expect that to change, even approaching the end. If the committee adds or adjusts charges, that would create another procedural delay in a case that has already had several of them.

And even if the committee accepts the enforcement staff’s case – which is the far more likely outcome of the hearing – several months could pass before it issues a final ruling, which would include penalties and sanctions. UNC’s earlier NCAA investigation, the one into its football program, offers only a loose idea of a possible decision timeline.

In that case, UNC appeared before the infractions committee on Oct 28, 2011. The university received its ruling on March 12, 2012 – 136 days after its infractions committee hearing. If this case follows the same timeline, and if the hearing ends on Thursday, then UNC would receive its verdict on Dec. 31.

Beyond that, there is a built-in NCAA appeals process. If UNC disagrees with the outcome of the case – if it finds its penalties to be too harsh, for instance – it could, and likely would, appeal the committee’s ruling. If UNC takes additional measures, like pursuing a legal case, it’s likely to do so only after exhausting the normal NCAA investigative process.

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Does anyone really believe that UNC is in significant danger here? After the way the NCAA caved with the PedState fiasco what authority does the NCAA really have? What power do they really have when they let the SEC run rampant with paying players, no academics, etc. etc. They let tOSU off the hook when there was no mitigating the evidence of violations. And the list goes on and on.
 
In fact, Ped State and UNC actually saw improved outcomes in football and basketball, respectively, after and (in UNC's case) during the investigation. There will be no consequences & no justice done. What a pants load that we have to be a part of the NCAA.
 
Does anyone really believe that UNC is in significant danger here? After the way the NCAA caved with the PedState fiasco what authority does the NCAA really have? What power do they really have when they let the SEC run rampant with paying players, no academics, etc. etc. They let tOSU off the hook when there was no mitigating the evidence of violations. And the list goes on and on.
nope - no danger whatsoever to football or basketball - the kids on the club quidditch team are probably going to get hammered though
 
Does anyone really believe that UNC is in significant danger here? After the way the NCAA caved with the PedState fiasco what authority does the NCAA really have? What power do they really have when they let the SEC run rampant with paying players, no academics, etc. etc. They let tOSU off the hook when there was no mitigating the evidence of violations. And the list goes on and on.

Unc Asheville is screwed.
 
I'm alone in thinking they will suffer?

Why are the wanting to talk to Fedora? Guy wasn't even there during the bogus classes. I dunno.

This whole thing has been very "front page of the newspapers" with a lot of national coverage. Wonder if the NCAA takes a pound of flesh as a result.
 
I'm alone in thinking they will suffer?

Why are the wanting to talk to Fedora? Guy wasn't even there during the bogus classes. I dunno.

This whole thing has been very "front page of the newspapers" with a lot of national coverage. Wonder if the NCAA takes a pound of flesh as a result.

Respectfully, see the PedState fiasco. JoePa has only gained in PedState legend while any other person, even in PA, would be charged and convicted of every associated crime he committed in protecting a known molester. Also, the NCAA backed off their weak punishment resulting in PedState effectively not being punished. UNC has a built in defense in that PedState's crimes are far worse on the scale of crimes, their cover up lasted decades and hurt many people; UNC's alleged violations only hurt UNC's reputation, the credibility of the students that "enrolled" in the bogus classes and other willing participants. Yes, both committed terrible acts to further and protect their sports programs but let's be honest, UNC did not molest defenseless children, ruin lives and destroy careers to protect the guilty.

Baylor, as a private school, may see the axe fall on their necks, but UNC is the primary/favored University in NC, they likely walk away with a slap on the wrist or less.
 
Does anyone really believe that UNC is in significant danger here? After the way the NCAA caved with the PedState fiasco what authority does the NCAA really have? What power do they really have when they let the SEC run rampant with paying players, no academics, etc. etc. They let tOSU off the hook when there was no mitigating the evidence of violations. And the list goes on and on.
No I don't. I think the end sum of this will be the some formal way of saying "UNC alums who didn't play sports, your school just admitted that keeping their athletic programs on top is more important than the value of your degree".
 
I'm alone in thinking they will suffer?

Why are the wanting to talk to Fedora? Guy wasn't even there during the bogus classes. I dunno.

This whole thing has been very "front page of the newspapers" with a lot of national coverage. Wonder if the NCAA takes a pound of flesh as a result.

No, they're going to get hammered. That's the word on the street anyway. Our fans just have a whoa is me attitude like it can't happen to anyone else.
 
I'm expecting a slap on the wrist. The fact that no academic fraud charges were levied pretty much tells me that.
 
and so it continues...

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In case you were wondering, here’s what’s going on outside UNC’s NCAA hearing

By Andrew Carter

acarter@newsobserver.com

August 16, 2017 12:42 PM

NASHVILLE, Tenn.

UNC’s hearing before the NCAA Committee on Infractions began Wednesday morning. The hearing is closed to the public, but here’s what we know:

▪ Debby Crowder, one of the central figures behind the bogus African Studies courses at the heart of the case, was among the first defendants to enter the meeting room for the hearing. Crowder walked in separate from UNC’s contingent – which includes chancellor Carol Folt and athletic director Bubba nningham – though Crowder was with her attorney, Elliot Abrams.

Former University of North Carolina secretary Deborah Crowder arrives at an NCAA hearing Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2017, in Nashville, Tenn. It has taken more than two years for North Carolina to appear before an NCAA infractions committee panel since initially being charged with five top-level violations amid its long-running academic scandal.

Mark Zaleski AP

About 10 minutes later, UNC’s contingent arrived in full: Folt and Cunningham, as well as coaches Larry Fedora, Sylvia Hatchell and Roy Williams. All of UNC’s coaches arrived with legal representation (which is standard when coaches appear before the infractions committee). Wade Smith is Hatchell’s attorney, and Jim Cooney is representing Williams.

[UNC ACADEMIC SCANDAL SERIES: Carolina’s Blind Side]

[UNC coaches, and their lawyers, appear before NCAA Committee on Infractions]

[It doesn’t matter how the NCAA rules in the UNC academic scandal case. The verdict is already in. — Jacobs]

[What to expect behind those closed doors at UNC’s NCAA hearing in Nashville]

▪ Don’t expect much in the way of news from this hearing Wednesday. It is closed for a reason: the NCAA infractions process often operates in secrecy. In fact, had UNC not posted a document containing the location of the hearing (It’s at the Gaylord Opryland), the location of the hearing could have remained unknown.

▪ Per UNC spokesman Steve Kirschner, there will be no university comment after the proceedings end Wednesday. Representatives from the NCAA – neither the NCAA Enforcement Staff, nor the Committee on Infractions – will comment at any time. So if there’s any comment coming from anyone, it will be from the UNC side. And if anyone talks, it’s likely to be Thursday.



University of North Carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham arrives at an NCAA hearing Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2017, in Nashville, Tenn. It has taken more than two years for North Carolina to appear before an NCAA infractions committee panel since initially being charged with five top-level violations amid its long-running academic scandal.

Mark Zaleski AP

▪ The hearing is scheduled for two days. That doesn’t mean that it will last that long, but that’s the expectation. If it concludes on Wednesday, that would be a surprise. Some anticipated that the hearing could last beyond normal business hours on Wednesday, but that it’s also scheduled to last into Thursday likely precludes the possibility of too late of an ending on Wednesday.



North Carolina basketball coach Roy Williams and his lawyer Jim Cooney, left, arrive at an NCAA hearing Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2017, in Nashville.

Mark Zaleski AP

▪ For those curious about the media presence, it includes reporters from: ESPN, several local TV stations and three Triangle-area TV stations. There were at least five TV cameras set up not far from the meeting room, prepared to capture the moment when officials and coaches began walking through the doors.

▪ Something silly: Fedora briefly left the meeting room at one point in the morning and headed to the restroom. He was escorted, flanked on either side. Perhaps they were ensuring that the secrets of the infractions hearing would remain intact during his brief refuge outside of the meeting walls. When he walked back, Fedora flashed a toothy grin.

▪ The NCAA takes seriously the sanctity of the hearing. Access to the meeting room doors, even, is roped off. The windows looking inside have been covered from the inside by dark curtains. There are two security guards standing guard outside. It’s impossible, even, to detect even ambient noise escaping from the hearing – not that it’d be particularly noisy.

– Check back for more ...


Read more here: In case you were wondering, here’s what’s going on outside UNC’s NCAA hearing
 
Respectfully, see the PedState fiasco. JoePa has only gained in PedState legend while any other person, even in PA, would be charged and convicted of every associated crime he committed in protecting a known molester. Also, the NCAA backed off their weak punishment resulting in PedState effectively not being punished. UNC has a built in defense in that PedState's crimes are far worse on the scale of crimes, their cover up lasted decades and hurt many people; UNC's alleged violations only hurt UNC's reputation, the credibility of the students that "enrolled" in the bogus classes and other willing participants. Yes, both committed terrible acts to further and protect their sports programs but let's be honest, UNC did not molest defenseless children, ruin lives and destroy careers to protect the guilty.

Baylor, as a private school, may see the axe fall on their necks, but UNC is the primary/favored University in NC, they likely walk away with a slap on the wrist or less.
You don't see the difference between the two? The atrocities at Ped St. were outside of the NCAA wheelhouse. They had nothing to do with recruiting violations, academic impropriety, or athete eligibility. UNC falls exactly within NCAA jurisdiction with academic eligibility.

A guy's employer doesn't fire him for cheating on his wife, even if it does make him a POS. Call in sick or show up late too often, however, and he better get the resume ready.
 
Yep. I think Roy gets a year timeout too
Wow, that would be huge. When is the last time that happened to a big name coach that kept his job?
 
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No, they're going to get hammered. That's the word on the street anyway. Our fans just have a whoa is me attitude like it can't happen to anyone else.
LOL... whoa is me? God forbid woe?
 
You don't see the difference between the two? The atrocities at Ped St. were outside of the NCAA wheelhouse. They had nothing to do with recruiting violations, academic impropriety, or athete eligibility. UNC falls exactly within NCAA jurisdiction with academic eligibility.

A guy's employer doesn't fire him for cheating on his wife, even if it does make him a POS. Call in sick or show up late too often, however, and he better get the resume ready.


You are trying to be legalistic. However, the NCAA has "rules" to ensure "moral" behavior. Players "cannot" be paid by boosters, get jobs with boosters, get free stuff from boosters, etc.; just a sampling of the "moral" issues the NCAA guards against due to the efforts by others in the past to entice players to attend/play for said boosters' schools. Protecting a criminal is a legal issue, doing so is a moral issue, i.e. cheating, so, yes, the NCAA does have governance over the matter.

What you are really arguing is that the NCAA bylaws don't have a specific rule stating that protecting a criminal coach/coordinator is a form a cheating when the &^$% should be in jail so the PedState incident is not in their "wheelhouse". Your argument falls flat on its face because protecting a criminal is a crime and is a cheat in the legal world; therefore, it is a cheat in the civil world, too. It also carries civil penalties on top of the criminal penalties and civil litigation requires only the preponderance of the evidence (50% plus anything). What you are saying is that using child molesters for recruiting and coaching is not cheating. If the NCAA is about protecting the student athlete, how can you claim they are protecting student athletes who are being recruited and coached at camps at young ages who are the prey of the molester/coach/recruiter?

By your reasoning, why is the NCAA involved with Baylor? Furthermore, why would the NCAA investigate PedState when they knew there was no bylaw stating the exact violations occurred and knowing the issues were "not in their wheelhouse"? It appears that the NCAA was looking for an excuse to get out of the PedState mess. They will likely repeat with UNC and possibly Baylor.

The NCAA should have stuck to their guns and forced the issue, making PedState sue the NCAA over their (weak) punishment, they would not be in a predicament now with UNC and Baylor, the NCAA would look and be stronger and have more enforcement capability and credibility.
 
I'm expecting a slap on the wrist. The fact that no academic fraud charges were levied pretty much tells me that.
Julius Nyang'oro, the chair of the AFAM Dep't., went to jail for fraud against UNC-CHeat for saying he was teaching classes when he wasn't. When you read the NCAA's counter to UNC-CHeat's response to the NOI, every sentence includes the concept of academic fraud. One of our posters has a lot of contacts with administrators at schools around the country. He says just about all of them want UNC-CHeat to be smashed or it's a signal to everyone they can cheat worse than the Tar Holes did.
 
You are trying to be legalistic. However, the NCAA has "rules" to ensure "moral" behavior. Players "cannot" be paid by boosters, get jobs with boosters, get free stuff from boosters, etc.; just a sampling of the "moral" issues the NCAA guards against due to the efforts by others in the past to entice players to attend/play for said boosters' schools. Protecting a criminal is a legal issue, doing so is a moral issue, i.e. cheating, so, yes, the NCAA does have governance over the matter.

What you are really arguing is that the NCAA bylaws don't have a specific rule stating that protecting a criminal coach/coordinator is a form a cheating when the &^$% should be in jail so the PedState incident is not in their "wheelhouse". Your argument falls flat on its face because protecting a criminal is a crime and is a cheat in the legal world; therefore, it is a cheat in the civil world, too. It also carries civil penalties on top of the criminal penalties and civil litigation requires only the preponderance of the evidence (50% plus anything). What you are saying is that using child molesters for recruiting and coaching is not cheating. If the NCAA is about protecting the student athlete, how can you claim they are protecting student athletes who are being recruited and coached at camps at young ages who are the prey of the molester/coach/recruiter?

By your reasoning, why is the NCAA involved with Baylor? Furthermore, why would the NCAA investigate PedState when they knew there was no bylaw stating the exact violations occurred and knowing the issues were "not in their wheelhouse"? It appears that the NCAA was looking for an excuse to get out of the PedState mess. They will likely repeat with UNC and possibly Baylor.

The NCAA should have stuck to their guns and forced the issue, making PedState sue the NCAA over their (weak) punishment, they would not be in a predicament now with UNC and Baylor, the NCAA would look and be stronger and have more enforcement capability and credibility.
Everything you mentioned in the first paragraph has to do with player eligibility with regard amateur status, it has nothing to do with morals and is much more closely related to the UNC issues than Ped St. The only difference is one is academic related the other has to do with monetary gifts to athletes. Where they are similar is that they have both been well within the NCAA wheelhouse for a long time.

The NCAA is actually treating the Baylor atrocities the same as Ped St. They are not issuing any sanctions for the same reasons. "... university leaders chose not to give the NCAA power to do so."

Here's a SI article about it.
https://www.si.com/college-football...al-assault-scandal-lawsuit-ncaa-death-penalty
 

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