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NYT on Carolina cheating
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Based on the severity of our penalties, unc will have 20years of 1scholarship max, will have to pay restitution for all 3100 fake-class students tuition, and both sports and their coaches will be stripped of all wins.
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I've been waiting for the NYT to do a piece & bring this back into focus. The highlight of Final Four weekend to me.
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Great to have the NY Times giving this scandal much needed life.
A historian, Jay Smith, has written a book, “Cheated,” on this case, and recently taught a class: “Big-Time College Sports and the Rights of Athletes, 1956 to the Present.” Students loved it; his classroom was filled. Last fall, the university canceled the class for a year.
“It’s very disillusioning to live through the last six years here,” Smith told me. “The university is operating like a crime family, and it shows the lengths to which they will go to protect their athletic machine.”
Hopefully light a fire under those NCAA hypocrites.
A historian, Jay Smith, has written a book, “Cheated,” on this case, and recently taught a class: “Big-Time College Sports and the Rights of Athletes, 1956 to the Present.” Students loved it; his classroom was filled. Last fall, the university canceled the class for a year.
“It’s very disillusioning to live through the last six years here,” Smith told me. “The university is operating like a crime family, and it shows the lengths to which they will go to protect their athletic machine.”
Hopefully light a fire under those NCAA hypocrites.
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Remember how much of a story all this was for SU in 2010, 2012, 2013, and 2016? The entire media was waiting to spring this the week of Selection Sunday and then with our success repeatedly bringing it back up over and over, even when it was just rumors (remember the "throw a dart at the rule book" article?). Meanwhile, this singular article is the only mention I've heard about this in two back to back Final Four runs for UNC.
They will get off with a wrist slap. It is very obvious. NCAA has done everything possible to dodge having to punish them and without the media forcing them to be accountable, they will do nothing.
They will get off with a wrist slap. It is very obvious. NCAA has done everything possible to dodge having to punish them and without the media forcing them to be accountable, they will do nothing.
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Sickening. Most likely true, but still sickening.
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The "throw the dart" comment was especially stupid seeing how little was actually found.
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While it sucks that UNC is not being treated nearly as harshly as SU for doing far worse, I still can't help but feel like "meh, so what?".
The athletes are on campus because of the sport they play. I don't understand the point of academic requirements aside from continuing the "student-athlete" charade.
If a "student-athlete" doesn't want to take advantage of his/her free education, then that should be his/her right. Just like every other student. This isn't high school.
The athletes are on campus because of the sport they play. I don't understand the point of academic requirements aside from continuing the "student-athlete" charade.
If a "student-athlete" doesn't want to take advantage of his/her free education, then that should be his/her right. Just like every other student. This isn't high school.
I don't think anyone is naive enough to think that various forms of academic impropriety don't go on nearly everywhere. From an athlete friendly class, professor or even a major. Athletes get hooked up. I'm still fascinated by the idea that guys like Anthony Davis and John Wall left UK with 3.5+ gpas.
But UNC was brazen in their systematic disregard for even a mirage of academic integrity. I've heard that academic curriculum doesn't fall under the NCAA infractions umbrella. Or that the UNC classes were offered to ALL students, not just athletes. So if SU had a tutor help write a paper for some non athletes as well as Fab, we'd be cool?
I still don't get why the hammer doesn't come down on the Heels. And not on the women's tennis team or whoever the NCAA is focused on.
But UNC was brazen in their systematic disregard for even a mirage of academic integrity. I've heard that academic curriculum doesn't fall under the NCAA infractions umbrella. Or that the UNC classes were offered to ALL students, not just athletes. So if SU had a tutor help write a paper for some non athletes as well as Fab, we'd be cool?
I still don't get why the hammer doesn't come down on the Heels. And not on the women's tennis team or whoever the NCAA is focused on.
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Seems the answer is anyone could've taken these classes. Our guys got treatment unique to them.
That being said the brazenness of this scheme is astounding.
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I don't think UNC has got away with anything yet. The COI keeps issuing their infraction report(3 times I believe) and UNC just keeps delaying the process by asking for edits. I've read somewhere that they have spent 20 million so far on legal fees to fight this.
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Well, Pat Forde is a stupid man, so it's not surprising.
Unc has the best lawyers in the country working on this. There's literally no point in me trying to debunk most of the garbage in that article because people are going to believe what they want to believe. But don't be surprised when this is all said and done if the NCAA aren't the ones looking like the real "criminals".
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I thought the punishment would be pretty simple. Any athlete that took what's determined to be a fraudulent class has it removed from their transcript. If the loss of the classes puts them below academic qualifications to compete, they are ruled ineligible and any games they played in are forfeited by UNC because they used an ineligible player.
Isn't that the same logic as SU losing wins because Fab got help ?
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Bet the athletes got guaranteed early registration and the " rest" just got the "rest" that was left.
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Athletes and non athletes took no show / free grade classes partially taxpayer funded for over a quarter of a century. No one is disputing that. Just a matter of what the NCAA control of it is.
If you say so.
Do you feel there was no wrong doing? And that UNC is being persecuted by the NCAA?
Without diesecting every detail, I'd love to hear your perspective.
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I am more than comfortable saying so.
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Spinaroo all you want buddy!
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best outcome: we get our wins back
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That's a good point. UNC should get the death penalty if they are judged on the same scale SU was. When they get a loss of 1 scholarship and the women's BB team gets a 1 year ban, we should immediately press to have wins restored.
UNC and the NCAA deserve each other.
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