1-and-1

[Brooky03]

This has been a thorn in my side for a long time, pretty much since I started watching basketball.

What was the reason the 1-and-1 was ever implemented? It’s, objectively, a disadvantage for the offense, even for good FT shooting teams. Was it implemented just to create more opportunities for late game excitement or did somebody botch the calculus?

A missed FT on the front end is essentially a turnover. You reward bad play (a foul) with a likely 30%+ chance at getting a turnover.

 

[Ragman2000]

This has been a thorn in my side for a long time, pretty much since I started watching basketball.

What was the reason the 1-and-1 was ever implemented? It’s, objectively, a disadvantage for the offense, even for good FT shooting teams. Was it implemented just to create more opportunities for late game excitement or did somebody botch the calculus?

A missed FT on the front end is essentially a turnover. You reward bad play (a foul) with a likely 30%+ chance at getting a turnover.

And no 1:1s in quarter games (NBA, women's bball). The right answer is just to move to quarter and ditch the halves.

 

[phreddie]

It's an intermediate step between no FTs and 2 FTs. I have no issue with it. Make your FREE throws!

And for the record: I hate the 4 qtrs. Get off my lawn!

 

[Lame-0]

This has been a thorn in my side for a long time, pretty much since I started watching basketball.

What was the reason the 1-and-1 was ever implemented? It’s, objectively, a disadvantage for the offense, even for good FT shooting teams. Was it implemented just to create more opportunities for late game excitement or did somebody botch the calculus?

A missed FT on the front end is essentially a turnover. You reward bad play (a foul) with a likely 30%+ chance at getting a turnover.

Up until sometime in the 70s, a common, non-shooting foul was one shot, then would go to 1-and-1 in the bonus. When they changed the rule to just a throw-in for a common foul, they kept the one-and-one for the bonus.

 

[Orangezoo]

And no 1:1s in quarter games (NBA, women's bball). The right answer is just to move to quarter and ditch the halves.

Yep- it’s long over due to go to both quarters and get rid of the 1 and 1. As well as advance the ball after timeouts in the 4Q and OT.

 

[sufandu]

Up until sometime in the 70s, a common, non-shooting foul was one shot, then would go to 1-and-1 in the bonus. When they changed the rule to just a throw-in for a common foul, they kept the one-and-one for the bonus.

Thanks for the history lesson. I didn't know that was the progression.

 

[sufandu]

I like the 1 and 1 and halves for college ball. I like the unique aspects of college sports and don't like when rules are changed to make them more like the pros.

 

[Brooky03]

I like the 1 and 1 and halves for college ball. I like the unique aspects of college sports and don't like when rules are changed to make them more like the pros.

We can keep the halves and get rid of the 1-and-1. Just start 2 shots one foul sooner, imo.

I don’t know why there has to be a ramp up to 2 shots.

 

[sufandu]

We can keep the halves and get rid of the 1-and-1. Just start 2 shots one foul sooner, imo.

I don’t know why there has to be a ramp up to 2 shots.

There doesn't have to be. It does add a little drama though. And I think the current set up may reward the team more that gets their opponent in foul trouble sooner.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

And no 1:1s in quarter games (NBA, women's bball). The right answer is just to move to quarter and ditch the halves.

Yes, but the NBA used to have the 3 to make 2, under certain bonus situations until 1981. It definitely cut down on fouling down the stretch. I would never advocate for it, but I would be all in for ten minute quarters and no 1 and 1's. I like most college basketball rules, but 1 and 1 can be part of great strategy, but can change momentum if you don't hit them

 

[FloridaCuse]

Yes, but the NBA used to have the 3 to make 2, under certain bonus situations until 1981. It definitely cut down on fouling down the stretch. I would never advocate for it, but I would be all in for ten minute quarters and no 1 and 1's. I like most college basketball rules, but 1 and 1 can be part of great strategy, but can change momentum if you don't hit them

And Wilt would often miss all 3. I'm old enough to remember seeing him play in the War Memorial against our old Nats. In those days they also had double-headers. 4 different teams. Once a year there was an all east DH. Nats, Knicks, Celtics, Warriors. Every 3rd year it would be Nats-Knicks, Celtics-Warriors -- Wilt vs. Bill Russell. I remember being at one such DH sitting about half way up behind one of the baskets when Wilt went up to dunk and Russell blocked it. I still remember it. In those days, the Nats were the basketball in town. No one paid attention to SU basketball. At all. Football was king on campus.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

And Wilt would often miss all 3. I'm old enough to remember seeing him play in the War Memorial against our old Nats. In those days they also had double-headers. 4 different teams. Once a year there was an all east DH. Nats, Knicks, Celtics, Warriors. Every 3rd year it would be Nats-Knicks, Celtics-Warriors -- Wilt vs. Bill Russell. I remember being at one such DH sitting about half way up behind one of the baskets when Wilt went up to dunk and Russell blocked it. I still remember it. In those days, the Nats were the basketball in town. No one paid attention to SU basketball. At all. Football was king on campus.

It's funny that you say that it was all about the Nats considering how limited the seating was at the War Memorial. I would guess many nights they never sold out. Back then, attendance was limited throughout the league, even in the big cities.

Here is a great attachment that shows the progression throughout the years. It's no wonder that these guys were making peanuts.

NBA Home Attendance Totals

 

[FloridaCuse]

It's funny that you say that it was all about the Nats considering how limited the seating was at the War Memorial. I would guess many nights they never sold out. Back then, attendance was limited throughout the league, even in the big cities.

Here is a great attachment that shows the progression throughout the years. It's no wonder that these guys were making peanuts.

NBA Home Attendance Totals

That's why they had to leave. I think we were the last of the small city NBA teams. After Rochester & Ft. Wayne. I think capacity at the War Memorial was about 7,000. We even hosted an all-star game. I remember going. SU BB played there then too. Until Manley was built. Back in those days the SU BB team set a national record for most games lost in a row. I think it went over two seasons. Marc Guley was the coach. Before Dave Bing and Jim Boeheim played. I never went to an SU BB game until they played at Manley. Probably when Bing and Boeheim were on the freshmen team.

 

[Toga]

And Wilt would often miss all 3. I'm old enough to remember seeing him play in the War Memorial against our old Nats. In those days they also had double-headers. 4 different teams. Once a year there was an all east DH. Nats, Knicks, Celtics, Warriors. Every 3rd year it would be Nats-Knicks, Celtics-Warriors -- Wilt vs. Bill Russell. I remember being at one such DH sitting about half way up behind one of the baskets when Wilt went up to dunk and Russell blocked it. I still remember it. In those days, the Nats were the basketball in town. No one paid attention to SU basketball. At all. Football was king on campus.

As a little kid my Dad took me to a game where they handed out kazoos or something annoyingly similar. The only time I saw my father raise his voice was immediately after the game he took me up to Danny Biasone's (GM) office and just chewed him out.

 

[FloridaCuse]

As a little kid my Dad took me to a game where they handed kazoos or something annoyingly similar. The only time I saw my father raise his voice was immediately after the game he took me up to Danny Biasone's (GM) office and just chewed him out.

Danny Biasone was the Owner of the Nats. The originator of the 24 second clock.

 

[Toga]

Danny Biasone was the Owner of the Nats. The originator of the 24 second clock.

And owner of a bowling alley in Eastwood IIRC.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

As a little kid my Dad took me to a game where they handed out kazoos or something annoyingly similar. The only time I saw my father raise his voice was immediately after the game he took me up to Danny Biasone's (GM) office and just chewed him out.

Your dad didn't like kazoos?

 

[JDubbin]

I understand the nostalgia for halves instead of quarters... but the reality is this, Men's college basketball is the only organized basketball league, at any age level, male or female, in the WORLD, that uses halves instead of quarters that I'm aware of. The ONLY one. I don't see quarters having much impact anyway, so might as well just do it.

 

[Toga]

Your dad didn't like kazoos?

Not 12,000 of em.

 

[phreddie]

I understand the nostalgia for halves instead of quarters... but the reality is this, Men's college basketball is the only organized basketball league, at any age level, male or female, in the WORLD, that uses halves instead of quarters that I'm aware of. The ONLY one. I don't see quarters having much impact anyway, so might as well just do it.

If quarters have no impact, then keeping halves won't either.

If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?