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#1 reason uconn isnt a legit contender

Exactly. I've read similar a dozen times on this board and I can't understand why there is such a strong desire to explain away the NC. We won the Maui to open the season? Did we just get hot then too? If so, can't you say we just got cold when it didn't matter but were NC caliber all year?

UConn was not a championship caliber team last year. They got hot at the right time, and were able to play a crappy team in the title game.

Syracuse was not a championship caliber team in '03. We got hot at the right time.

Both are good teams, yes. They are far from the best teams SU and UConn have ever put on the court, though.
 
so far i think they have 2 problems. first is that drummond and oriakhi are basically the same player and can't really be on the court at the same time, so olander has to play alot at the 4. second is that they have basically zero wing play, daniels is not physically ready for the big east and smith is pretty limited overall. basically they just aren't getting much from the 3 and 4 positions.

having said that i think they will look alot better with calhoun back.

Pretty spot on observations right there. We have a lot of good athletes and players but no real defined rotation and roles at this point in the season.
 
UConn was not a championship caliber team last year. They got hot at the right time, and were able to play a crappy team in the title game.

Syracuse was not a championship caliber team in '03. We got hot at the right time.

Both are good teams, yes. They are far from the best teams SU and UConn have ever put on the court, though.


Thats absolute BS. We went 13-3 in the big east in 2003, won AT michigan st in feb, and didnt need a miracle big east tourny run to land a 3 seed in the tourny. We were championship caliber all year. UConn went 9-9 in the big east and lost 4 of their last 5 heading into the big east tournament. Apples and oranges.
 
Again, what earthly difference does it make... if they won the whole thing?!
No one "deserves" a NC, the tournament determines who ends up King of The Hill.
For every team that plays like dirt in the regular season, there's usually one that plays well when it matters.
Why explain away a title based on a regular season perception, that turned out to be wrong?
The Giants beat the Pats in '07-. By some of the "entitlement logic" used here, the Pats should've been awarded rings, while the Giants shouldn't have even played in the game.
Why partake in the "shoulda/coulda/woulda" scenario, when the results are all that matters?
Here are some other teams that "shouldn't" have been champions:
'69 Mets,
'83 NCState bball,
'85 Nova bball,
2001 NE Pats,
2003 SU Orangemen
etc. etc. etc.

Last I checked I don't see anyone changing the record books or confiscating rings because someone else "shoulda" won,
or because those teams weren't highly rated during the season. That seems to be an exercise in futility.
Just sayin...:blah:
 
Thats absolute BS. We went 13-3 in the big east in 2003, won AT michigan st in feb, and didnt need a miracle big east tourny run to land a 3 seed in the tourny. We were championship caliber all year. UConn went 9-9 in the big east and lost 4 of their last 5 heading into the big east tournament. Apples and oranges.

Agreed apples and oranges, the situations aren't the same, but what is a championship caliber team? Both teams were 3 seeds.

UConn entered the NCAA tournament 16th in the Pomeroy ratings. I would say that is a little outside what I would call a championship caliber team. We finished 03 7th int he Pomeroy rankings, I believe we were right around 9 or so when the tourny started. (Remembered thinking we might be able to swing a 2 seed if we got lucky).

So I'd probably agree, when the tourny starts, I think you need to be top 10ish or so; a 3 seed sounds about right. A 4 seed or lower winning seems like it would be a bit of a surprise.

Also worth mentioning, the BE in 2011 had a hell of a lot more tougher teams than the BE in 2003. All 9 games UConn lost in the BE were to teams in the top 45 or better. We played 7 teams in the top 45 or better all year in the BE. UConn lost 9, and won 4 more. They played 13 out of 18 BE games against top 45 teams, we played 7 of 16 (BC was 47, so you can make it 8 out of 16 if you want).

I doubt the 2003 team goes 13-3 (or the equivalent in an 18 game season) against the schedule UConn played last year, and UConn doesn't play 500 ball against our 2003 BE schedule. UConn's last 5 games last year before the BET were all against top 35 teams, they lost 4 of 5, including 2 at home, but they were playing really good teams. The 2003 BE sent 4 teams in the NCAA tourny, 4 out of 14. Last year we sent 11 of 16. Massive difference in quality of opponent. Btw, I didn't remember we sent only 4 teams in 2003. Not good at all.

But I think if you are the 15th best team entering the tournament, that to me seems like fringe NCAA title contender, at best.
 
huh? Our front court is averaging 14 ppg
They as a team expect a lot more out of Drummond and Oriahki than we have to out of Melo, Christmas and Keita. Melo doesn't need to score many points, he's been great on defense. Oriahki has regressed and Drummond isn't nearly what he could be (kind of like Melo last year).
 
14 ppg is all we need considering the depth of this team and interchangeable parts. Not so much for Uconn. They need that 1-2 punch inside.
 
Thats absolute BS. We went 13-3 in the big east in 2003, won AT michigan st in feb, and didnt need a miracle big east tourny run to land a 3 seed in the tourny. We were championship caliber all year. UConn went 9-9 in the big east and lost 4 of their last 5 heading into the big east tournament. Apples and oranges.
I don't get why you think our run was so outside the realm of possibilities...We ran the table in OOC games with road wins against Wichita St, Michigan St, Kentucky, and Texas. Then beat Pitt, SU, and L'ville in NYC. Then beat San Diego St and Arizona in what amounted to home games for them..Then beat Kentucky again.. Let's face it, every team in the BE takes a beating in the regular season;.
 

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